Electrostatics: 3 balls on a string, calculate net forces.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves three charged balls positioned on a string, with specific charges assigned to each ball. The original poster seeks to calculate the net force acting on the middle ball and to understand the implications of a potential fourth ball affecting the forces involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Coulomb's law to find the net force on Ball B and expresses uncertainty about how to approach the second part of the problem regarding Ball C and a potential fourth ball. Some participants question the assumption of a fourth ball and clarify the sign convention for forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations for the forces between the balls and the implications of the assumptions made regarding the fourth ball. There is a mix of interpretations about the problem setup, with some guidance provided on how to calculate the net forces based on the existing charges.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the existence of a fourth ball and the interpretation of the forces acting on the balls. Participants are also considering the implications of directional forces and how they affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement


3 balls are on a ?string?/line?. Each are equally displaced, 72cm. Ball A has a charge of -50e5c, Ball B a charge of +25e2, Ball C -10e10.
1. What is the net force applied on the middle ball (Ball B)?
2. Assuming a force to the right(ungiven name of Ball D?) (of Ball C) is positive, find the net force applied on Ball C..


Homework Equations


F=kq1q2/d^2
k=9x10^9 n*m^2/c^2

The Attempt at a Solution



These are all theoretical values.. I know the basic structure of the problem, but totally guesstimating the values. With that said.. To try and get net force of Ball B..
I did
F(ab)=kq(a)q(b)/d^2
F(bc)=kq(b)q(c0/d^2
...
F(ab)+F(bc)=net force applied on Ball B.. I think that part was easy..
net force=-4.34x10^24, work on screenshot
physstanks.gif

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Kind of lost for Part 2.. How do I find out the force for D? Or the charge of D? Or the distance (baby blue)?

On the test, what I think I did was add charges A+B, set equal to C+D, or A+B-C=D.. Then use that value of charge for D, assume 72cm (I want to know why I should assume), calculate force.. I don't think that's how it works though..
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I thought up an interesting theory just now.. All charges (balls) have same net forces, but vary +/-..?
Here's another pic
physstanks2.gif

I forgot to draw it, but there's supposed to be a "blue vector equal to magenta vector".
 
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Did the problem actually state that there was a fourth ball? Or did you just assume that's what was meant? I'm guessing that part 2 was just to find the net force on ball C. (The stuff about to the right being positive--that's just so you use the correct sign convention.)
 
Problem did not say 4th ball (I assumed so because there was a positive "force" to right of Ball C)

PS, my 1st question, answered, love this forums.
Loving to see that more people are willing to spend their time to help others. I may be inspired to be a good physics teacher :D

So Doc Al, I added a 3rd edit.. thoughts?
 
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My thoughts? Get rid of ball D!

The force on ball C is just F(A on C) + F(B on C). Figure them out and add them up! (Since forces are vectors, directions--signs--matter.)
 
Umm..
Would that mean for net force of A, add Force(charge of A+C)+Force(charge a+b)?

With Ball B, I supposed that I used the one on the left and the one on the right..

Or am I not looking at it from the right perspective?

How would this problem be different if there was no force on the right?
 
pugfug90 said:
Umm..
Would that mean for net force of A, add Force(charge of A+C)+Force(charge a+b)?

With Ball B, I supposed that I used the one on the left and the one on the right..

Or am I not looking at it from the right perspective?
There are three balls. They exert electrostatic forces on each other. To find the net force on anyone (say ball A) add up the individual forces on that ball (A) from the other two (B & C). That means calculating the force that B exerts on A and the force that C exerts on A. (To find the individual forces between any two balls, use Coulomb's law.) Follow the same logic to find the net force on any of the balls.

How would this problem be different if there was no force on the right?
If I understand the problem correctly, there is no extra "force on the right"--that's just your misinterpretation of the instructions to use positive numbers to represent a force to the right (and negative numbers for forces to the left).
 

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