Electrostatics problem: Find charges on the surface of the dielectric

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The problem involves an arbitrarily-shaped object with a charge q surrounded by a dielectric material characterized by its permittivity ε. The objective is to determine the charges induced on both the inner and outer surfaces of the dielectric.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Gauss's law and reflects on the relationship between electric flux inside and outside the dielectric. They express uncertainty about their reasoning regarding charge conservation and the implications of permittivity.
  • One participant questions the nature of the dielectric, suggesting it may be a trick question due to the properties of insulators and dielectrics.
  • Another participant provides an analogy with a parallel plate capacitor, discussing how the presence of a dielectric affects the induced charge and electric field, and offers a general formula for induced charge based on relative permittivity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and sharing insights related to the behavior of dielectrics in electric fields. Some guidance has been offered, particularly regarding the relationship between induced charge and permittivity, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the nature of dielectrics and insulators, as well as the implications of charge conservation in this context. The original poster expresses a need for clarification on how to approach the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement



An arbitrarily-shaped object is given a charge q and is then surrounded by a dielectric of permittivity ε as shown in the figure below

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Find the charges induced in the inner and outer surface of the dielectric.

Homework Equations



I'm not sure but Gauss's law may be relevant here somehow.

The Attempt at a Solution



I initially thought that electric flux inside the dielectric would be the same as that outside the dielectric. So assuming [itex]-q'[/itex] to be the charge on the inner surface, I got [itex]\frac{q-q'}{ε}=\frac{q}{ε_0}[/itex]. But upon reflection, I realized that this is wrong because

[itex]q-q'<q[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{ε}<\frac{1}{ε_0}[/itex]
and therefore [itex]\frac{q-q'}{ε}<\frac{q}{ε_0}[/itex].

Could you please help me by telling me how to approach the problem or how to make a right start.

Thanks in advance.
Sunil
 
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Not sure, but it may be a trick question, as charge can't actually flow through a perfect insulator (insulator and dielectric tended to be interchangeable when I took this).

If not, I think this may be relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity#Explanation
According to the equation I see there, "how much" the dielectric responds to the E field is proportional to relative permitivity of the dielectric.
 
It's easier to explain with a parallel plate capacitor. If you place a dielectric in between the two plates the field inside will be weakened. If the dielectric has a relative permittivity [itex]ε_r[/itex] of 2 that means the charge induced on the surface of that dielectric is 1/2 of that of the plates. That charge than produces a field of it's own that partially cancels out the field of the plates. If [itex]ε_r = 3[/itex] the induced charge will be 2/3 of q meaning the field inside is reduced to 1/3. So in general the charge induced on the dielectric is [itex]q*(ε_r - 1)/ε_r[/itex]
 
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DrZoidberg said:
It's easier to explain with a parallel plate capacitor. If you place a dielectric in between the two plates the field inside will be weakened. If the dielectric has a relative permittivity [itex]ε_r[/itex] of 2 that means the charge induced on the surface of that dielectric is 1/2 of that of the plates. That charge than produces a field of it's own that partially cancels out the field of the plates. If [itex]ε_r = 3[/itex] the induced charge will be 2/3 of q meaning the field inside is reduced to 1/3. So in general the charge induced on the dielectric is [itex]q*(ε_r - 1)/ε_r[/itex]

Thanks a lot. I got it now. :smile:
 

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