Electrostatics problem with pith balls hung using threads

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The discussion revolves around an electrostatics problem involving pith balls suspended by threads. Participants are exploring the arrangement of the balls based on their charges and the forces acting on them, particularly focusing on the geometric configuration that minimizes potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the assumptions regarding the arrangement of the charges, with some suggesting a tetrahedral configuration over a square arrangement. Others are exploring the implications of gravity and charge magnitudes on the angles formed by the threads.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the geometric arrangements and their implications, while others are seeking clarification on the conditions under which these arrangements hold true.

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There is mention of a solution key that indicates a specific answer, which has led to confusion among participants. The discussion also highlights the need for further clarification on the effects of gravity and charge magnitudes on the system's configuration.

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Homework Statement



Please open the attachment for the question

Homework Equations



1)coulomb's law

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm at a loss regarding what to do. Upon reading the question (ignoring the figure), I assumed that the charges will form a square and thus the angle between two adjacent threads will depend on the length of the thread. But the solution key given to me said option (d) was correct. Please help.
 
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That problem statement is ill. The angle depends on the charges and masses - for negligible charges, it will be nearly zero, which is not covered in any answer.
Without or with negligible gravity, the masses will arrange like a tetrahedron, and d is correct. But that requires at least one charge to point "upwards" relative to the point where they are attached.
 
mfb said:
Without or with negligible gravity, the masses will arrange like a tetrahedron, and d is correct.

Without gravity, won't they get arranged as a square in the plane of the ceiling to which the threads are attached?

Thanks in advance mfb
 
As far as I know, a square is not the ideal arrangement, a tetrahedron is better.
 
But with a tetrahedral arrangement, won't one of the threads slacken? Also, could you please explain how the tetrahedral arrangement is favored to the square one where the balls are far apart from each other and thus the system has the lowest potential energy.
 
won't one of the threads slacken?
Electrostatic repulsion keeps it there.

With a tetrahedral arrangement, the angle is somewhere at ~110°, compared to ~90° for the square. On the other hand, you have 3 nearest neighbors instead of 2, so it would need a calculation to compare both arrangements.
 

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