Elementary Differential equations : seperable making it explicit

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form (y+2)dx + y(x+4)dy=0, focusing on making the solution explicit. The subject area is elementary differential equations, specifically dealing with separable equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating the equation and express confusion about how to isolate y in the solution. There are attempts to manipulate logarithmic expressions and exponential forms to achieve an explicit solution. Questions arise regarding the correctness of transformations and the implications of boundary conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is acknowledgment of a boundary condition that may affect the solution, and various interpretations of constants and their roles are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a boundary condition y(-3)=-1, which may influence the final form of the solution. There is also a discussion about the nature of constants in the context of the solution.

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Homework Statement



(y+2)dx +y(x+4)dy=0


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



∫(1/x+4)dx + ∫(y/y+2)dy=0

ln(x+4)-2ln(y+2)+y=lnc

Here is where I get confused how do I make this into an explicit solution,

that +y really bothers me.

I was thinking ln [ (x+4)/(y+2)^2] +y = lnc

raising both sides to e^x

(x+4)/(y+2)^2+e^y=c

but the answer is

x+4 = [(y+2)^2]*e^(-y+1)
 
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Mdhiggenz said:
I was thinking ln [ (x+4)/(y+2)^2] +y = lnc

raising both sides to e^x

(x+4)/(y+2)^2+e^y=c

That's not correct. When you raise both the sides to e, you get this:
e^{\ln((x+4)/(y+2)^2)+y}=c
which is equal to
\frac{x+4}{(y+2)^2} \cdot e^y=c

And can you check the answer you posted? I get (-y+c) instead of (-y+1).
 
They hold that the answer is -y+c. I forgot to mention that it is a boundary problem y(-3)=-1

Would that have anything to do with it?

Also from what you got I do not quite understand how you got -y+c

if you multiply both sides by [(y+2)^2]/e^y

wouldnt it be x+4= c(y+2)^2/e^y ?
 
Mdhiggenz said:
wouldnt it be x+4= c(y+2)^2/e^y ?

Yep, it would be that, but 1/e^y=e^(-y).
c is a arbitrary constant, that is we can write it like this, e^c which is again a constant or we can even write it as ln(c) which is also equal to a constant. To get the answer you posted, i wrote c as e^c.
 
Excellent, I appreciate your help on these problems.
 

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