EM vector potential - covariant or contravariant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the classification of the vector potential in the context of Maxwell's equations, specifically whether it should be treated as a contravariant or covariant vector. Participants explore the implications of different metric signatures on this classification and the resulting calculations.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the vector potential \( A^\mu \) can be expressed in two forms depending on the sign convention used for the metric, leading to different representations of the components.
  • Others argue that the vector potential is naturally a 1-form, with the sign chosen to ensure consistency with the definition of the electromagnetic field tensor \( F_{\mu\nu} \).
  • A participant questions the effect of switching the signature of the metric on calculations, suggesting it may switch covariant with contravariant representations.
  • Another participant asserts that changing the metric does not alter the form of \( A^\mu \), but affects the sign of the invariant \( A^{\mu}A_{\mu} \).
  • One participant notes that the magnetic potential coefficients can be treated as either covariant or contravariant in a three-dimensional space, indicating that the choice of metric affects how indices are raised and lowered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the vector potential and the implications of metric signature changes. No consensus is reached regarding the correct treatment of the vector potential or the effects of switching signatures.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific metric choices and the unresolved nature of how these choices impact the interpretation of the vector potential in the context of electromagnetic theory.

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Are potentials appearing in the Maxwell equations the components of a contravariant vector or a covariant vector?

Let us be specific. metric is (+,-,-,-) . Let us write the potentials which appear in the Maxwell equations as \Phi and \vec{A}=(A_x,A_y,A_z)

Is it then the case that

A^{\mu}=(\Phi,A_x,A_y,A_z)
A_{\nu}=(\Phi,-A_x,-A_y,-A_z)

or

A^{\mu}=(\Phi,-A_x,-A_y,-A_z)
A_{\nu}=(\Phi,A_x,A_y,A_z)


?
 
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Yes, but the OP is asking about sign conventions.

A is naturally a 1-form, and the sign is chosen such that F = dA. In index notation, this is

F_{\mu\nu} = \partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu

Furthermore, the sign of F is chosen such that the Lorentz force law reads

\dot u_\mu = \frac{q}{m} F_{\mu\nu} u^{\nu}

and the 4-velocity u is naturally a (contravariant) 4-vector.
 
pellman said:
Are potentials appearing in the Maxwell equations the components of a contravariant vector or a covariant vector?

Let us be specific. metric is (+,-,-,-) . Let us write the potentials which appear in the Maxwell equations as \Phi and \vec{A}=(A_x,A_y,A_z)

Is it then the case that

A^{\mu}=(\Phi,A_x,A_y,A_z)
A_{\nu}=(\Phi,-A_x,-A_y,-A_z)

or

A^{\mu}=(\Phi,-A A^\mu_x,-A_y,-A_z)
A_{\nu}=(\Phi,A_x,A_y,A_z)
?
The A^\mu has all positive signs. Then the divergence of A is \partial_\mu A^\mu.
 
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What effect does switching the signature have, from the perspective of calculation?
Would it switch covariant with contravariant?

The fields derived should be invariant surely, since it's just two ways of representing the same physical thing?
 
Changing the metric does not change that
A^\mu=[\phi,{\vec A}].
It would make A^\mu A_\mu={\vec A}^2-\phi^2
and p^\mu p_\mu=-m^2, which is why I don't like the
=-1,1,1,1 metric.
 
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Jerbearrrrrr said:
What effect does switching the signature have, from the perspective of calculation?
Would it switch covariant with contravariant?

No, it only changes the sign of the invariant A^{\mu}A_{\mu}
 
Meir Achuz said:
which is why I don't like the
=-1,1,1,1 metric.

Amen! p^\mu p_\mu=-m^2 is obscene.
 
Meir Achuz said:
The A^\mu has all positive signs. Then the divergence of A is \partial_\mu A^\mu.

Thanks!
 
One thing of which you should be aware. The magnetic potential coefficients taken alone are equally covariant or contravariant. The subspace is three dimensions of space, and the space3 metric is (+++), so we can raise and lower indices without concern; the signs are unaltered. Ai=Ai. When this subspace metric becomes an entry in the two-by-two metric of space and time, we choose to assign coefficients of either -1 and 1 or 1 and -1 respective to choice.
 

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