EMF induced by Bar Magnet falling through a Coil

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The discussion revolves around the induced electromotive force (emf) when a bar magnet falls through a coil, specifically focusing on the characteristics of the induced emf graph. Participants explore the behavior of the induced emf as the magnet enters and exits the coil, considering factors such as symmetry, speed variations, and the presence of a constant emf during certain phases of the magnet's transit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the graph of induced emf should show a positive peak when the north pole of the magnet enters the coil and a negative peak when the south pole exits, questioning the symmetry of the peaks.
  • Another participant confirms that there is an asymmetry in the peaks due to the magnet's varying speed as it enters and exits the coil, suggesting that the emf is zero during the time the magnet is fully surrounded by the coil.
  • A later reply references an article that theoretically supports the conjectures about the asymmetry and peak amplitudes being proportional to the transit time of the dipole through the solenoid.
  • One participant expresses interest in further reading about a related scenario involving a magnet falling through a conducting pipe, indicating a potential classroom demonstration context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the presence of asymmetry in the induced emf peaks and the behavior of the emf during the magnet's transit, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the experimental investigation of this asymmetry.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the mathematical details or assumptions regarding the model of the bar magnet and its interaction with the coil.

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What should a graph of induced emf look like if you have a relatively short bar magnet falling through a long coil ? Let's say the north pole is first to enter. So as it approaches a North pole will be induced in the coil which then looks like a N-S bar magnet. When the magnet exits , the south pole leaves last so at that point a North pole will be induced at the other end of the coil which now ends up like a S-N bar magnet. So overall the emf should have a positive peak and then a negative peak or vv. I'm not quite sure what happens in between. Are the two peaks symmetric or does the graph have some asymmetry due to the bar magnet slowing down on entry and speeding up on exit ? Is there a constant emf for the time during which the bar magnet is totally surrounded by the coil ?

Edit: found an answer here:


for anyone else who might have wondered.
 
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I explored the magnet falling through a solenoid in the limit of a very short bar magnet, i.e. a point dipole, in this article. Your conjectures are correct. In between the emf is zero and yes, there is an asymmetry in the peaks due to the increased speed of the dipole. The difference in peak amplitude is (theoretically) proportional to the transit time of the dipole through the solenoid (equation (5) in the article.) I do not know if this asymmetry has been investigated experimentally.
 
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kuruman said:
I explored the magnet falling through a solenoid in the limit of a very short bar magnet, i.e. a point dipole, in this article. Your conjectures are correct. In between the emf is zero and yes, there is an asymmetry in the peaks due to the increased speed of the dipole. The difference in peak amplitude is (theoretically) proportional to the transit time of the dipole through the solenoid (equation (5) in the article.) I do not know if this asymmetry has been investigated experimentally.
Great article - it will take me some time to digest the Maths but the graphs show clearly what is happening 'in transit'.
 
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Thank you for your interest. You might also consider reading the related article of how to model a magnet falling through a conducting pipe, a well known classroom demonstration.
 
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