Energy balance from mechanical to electrical energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy balance involved in converting mechanical energy from a falling mass into electrical energy via a flywheel connected to a DC motor. Participants explore the equations governing this energy transformation, considering factors such as friction and the characteristics of the flywheel and motor system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an energy balance equation for a system where a mass falls and drives a flywheel, suggesting that the equation will change when a DC motor is introduced.
  • Another participant proposes that the electrical energy generated can be expressed as E = (0.5Iω^2)(n2-n3)/n2, assuming friction is independent of the load.
  • A different participant discusses the energy dynamics when the mass falls freely versus when it is attached to the flywheel, noting that energy is transferred to the flywheel and emphasizing the importance of minimizing the final velocity of the mass to maximize electrical energy output.
  • A request for clarification on the energy balance equation specifically for electric machines is made, indicating a need for further exploration of this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy balance equations and the assumptions involved, particularly regarding the effects of friction and the efficiency of energy conversion. No consensus is reached on a definitive energy balance equation for the system with the DC motor.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the independence of friction from load and the ideal conditions for energy conversion, but these assumptions remain unresolved and may affect the validity of the proposed equations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanical to electrical energy conversion, particularly in the context of flywheel systems and electric machines.

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A mass is winded via string aroung a flywheel and allowed to fall a specific height before detachement. The flywheel is connected to a small DC motor via gears and starts generating electricity once the mass is allowed to fall..

Now without the DC motor ( generator) the equation of energy balance is:

mgh = (0.5mv^2+ (0.5Iω^2) + ( 0.5Iω^2 x (n1/n2)

where I is the moment of inertia of flywheel and ω is the angular velocity ( which should be equal to the angular max velocity at point of mass detachment)

n1 = number of revs of flywheel before detachement of mass
n2 = number of revs of flywheel after detachement

the third term in the equation is the work done to overcome friction.

Now the question is :

What form is the equation going to have when a DC motor is attached to the flywheel to be allowed to transform rotational energy to electrical? mgh = ?

the electrical energy is in the form of UIt
 
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It seems that one has to assume the friction is independent of the load.

Let n3 = number of revs of flywheel after detachment, and E = electrical energy.

I think it is not hard to see

E = (0.5Iω^2)(n2-n3)/n2

Is that what you are after?
 
Suppose the height of initial release of the mass minus the height of detachment is h. Then if the mass falls freely (without flywheel), the total kinetic energy of the mass is mgh = (1/2)mv2. But in the case where it is attached to the flywheel, its final velocity at point of detachment is v1. So its energy at release is now (1/2)mv12. So the missing energy is (1/2)m[v2 - v12]. This was all transferred to the flywheel.

If the flywheel were frictionless and the generator perfect, all the flywheel energy would be converted to electric power. All inertial energy remaining in the flywheel after release of the mass would also be converted to electric power. To maximize the total electric energy, the objective then is to make the final velocity of the mass v1 as small as possible. If the flywheel were massive and v1 were small, then the electrical energy would be nearly mgh. If mgh were expressed in joules, then mgh/3600 would be the energy in watt-hours, or in volt amp hours.
 
pls what is the energy balance equation in electric machines?
 

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