Energy conservation law problem

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a ring with radius R and a ball moving inside it. When the ring is stationary, the ball reaches a height of R/2. However, when the ring starts to move with a fixed acceleration, the ball reaches the top of the ring. The value of this acceleration is found to be 4g/5 and the ring moves down with this acceleration. The conversation also raises the question of where the ball is located when the ring acceleration starts, as it can affect the outcome. The analysis shows that if the ball starts at R/2, it will still oscillate within the ring, but if it starts at the bottom, its kinetic energy will be converted to potential energy. The final
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Homework Statement



There is a ring which radius is R. A little ball moves inside this ring. Ring's plane is perpendicular to the surface of ground. When a ball is moving inside a ring (ring is in quiet), the ball reaches a height which is equal to R/2.
The ring starts to move upright with a fixed acceleration. What is the value of the fixed ring acceleration, if the ball inside the ring reaches the top of the ring?

(I know the answer of this problem (checked at he book) - acceleration is equal to 4g/5 and a ring moves down with this acceleration)


The Attempt at a Solution



What's not clear from the question is where is the ball when the ring acceleration starts. In my opinion, it makes a big difference.

For example, if the ball is at R/2, it has no kinetic energy w/r/t the ring. Since acclereation of the ring creates a relative gravit of g/5, it would still osccilate within the ring at R/2.

If the ball is at the bottom of the ring, then there is kinetic energy when it starts of m*g*R/2. This will get converted to potential energy at a rate of

m*(g-a)*h, or m*g/5*h.​

Since the translational distance within the frame is 2*R, then

m*g*R/2=m*(g-a)*2*R​

Simplify:

g/2=2*g-2*a​

I get:

a= 3*g/4​

What's wrong?
 
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I don't see anything wrong. I agree with your analysis. The position of the ball certainly makes a difference.
 
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As a scientist, it is important to carefully consider all factors and variables in a problem before arriving at a solution. In this case, the initial position of the ball within the ring is crucial in determining the acceleration of the ring.

In your attempt at a solution, you assumed that the ball is at the bottom of the ring, which would result in an acceleration of 3g/4. However, if the ball is at R/2, as stated in the problem, it would have no kinetic energy and thus no potential energy to be converted. In this case, the correct acceleration would be 4g/5, as stated in the problem.

It is also important to consider the conservation of energy in this problem. The total energy of the system (ball and ring) should remain constant throughout the motion. This means that the potential energy gained by the ball should be equal to the work done by the ring's acceleration. This can be written as:

m*g/5*h = m*a*h

Solving for a, we get:

a = g/5

This shows that the acceleration of the ring should be equal to the relative acceleration of the ball within the ring, which is g/5. Therefore, the correct answer to the problem is 4g/5, and not 3g/4 as calculated in your attempt at a solution.

In conclusion, it is important to carefully consider all aspects of a problem and apply the principles of conservation of energy in order to arrive at the correct solution.
 

1. What is the energy conservation law problem?

The energy conservation law problem refers to the principle of conservation of energy, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. It is a fundamental law of physics that applies to all systems and processes.

2. Why is the energy conservation law important?

The energy conservation law is important because it helps us understand and predict the behavior of physical systems. It allows us to make accurate calculations and predictions about energy usage and efficiency, and it helps us develop sustainable energy solutions.

3. What are some examples of energy conservation law problems?

Examples of energy conservation law problems include calculating the efficiency of a machine, determining the amount of energy needed for a chemical reaction, and analyzing the energy flow in an electrical circuit. These problems involve understanding how energy is conserved and transformed in different systems.

4. What are the challenges in solving energy conservation law problems?

Solving energy conservation law problems can be challenging because it requires a thorough understanding of the laws of physics and their applications. It also involves accurately measuring and quantifying different forms of energy and their transformations. Additionally, real-world systems are often complex and may involve multiple sources and types of energy.

5. How can we apply the energy conservation law to real-world situations?

The energy conservation law can be applied to real-world situations in many ways. For example, engineers use it to design more efficient machines and systems, governments use it to develop energy policies and regulations, and individuals can use it to make informed decisions about energy usage and conservation in their daily lives. By understanding and applying the energy conservation law, we can work towards a more sustainable and energy-efficient future.

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