Energy required to change a sphere's axis of rotation OR pole location

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The discussion revolves around the energy required to change a sphere's axis of rotation or the geographical location of its north pole, specifically considering a hypothetical solid sphere representing the Earth. Participants explore the implications of such changes from both mathematical and physical perspectives, including concepts of angular momentum and energy conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a mathematical scenario where a solid sphere, representing the Earth, is considered to analyze the energy required to shift its geographical north pole or change its axis of rotation.
  • Another participant claims that changing the axis of rotation requires zero energy, suggesting that one could spin down the Earth, store energy, and then spin it up on a new axis.
  • Some participants question whether changing the direction of the axis and changing the pole location are equivalent in terms of energy requirements.
  • It is noted that changing the geographical north pole without altering the rotational axis does not require energy or change angular momentum.
  • A participant introduces a hypothetical method involving moving the crust relative to the rotating sphere to achieve the desired pole location without changing the axis of rotation.
  • Clarification is made that the discussion assumes a solid sphere, referred to as a meteor, in the context of these energy considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy implications of changing the axis of rotation versus the geographical pole location. There is no consensus on whether these changes are equivalent in terms of energy requirements, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical methods to achieve these changes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of the sphere (solid, uniform) and does not address the complexities introduced by real-world factors such as plate tectonics or the Earth's liquid core. The implications of angular momentum conservation are also a point of contention.

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There is a disaster movie about a global cataclysm that results in Kilimantzaro becoming the north pole or something. Maybe this is plausible in terms of plate tectonics. Or maybe not. But I've got another question, a purely mathematical one: if the Earth were a solid sphere, no plates and such, no magma, no liquid core, no density variation, just a mathematical uniform solid sphere, then how much energy would it require to shift its geographical north pole to another point on its surface 90 degrees away from its previous location OR change the place in the sky where the axis points without changing the pole location? So it's two questions. Make the sphere as big as the Earth and just as massive, and give it the same moment of inertia and period of rotation too.
 
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An Earth rotating on one axis has the same energy as an Earth rotating on another axis. It takes zero energy to change the axis.

You could do it the simple way: Spin down the Earth so that is stationary. Save the energy in a big battery somewhere. Spin up the Earth on a new axis. Use the energy you saved.

Or the somewhat clever way: Apply a torque at right angles to both the current and desired rotation axes. Keep applying the torque until precession changes the axis as desired. Since the torque is always at right angles to angular momentum, no energy is required.

But angular momentum has changed. And angular momentum is a conserved quantity. You'll have to dump it somewhere. That is harder to do. And cannot be done by muttering "plate tectonics".
 
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So you're suggesting changing the direction of the axis and changing the pole location is the same thing energywise?
 
jbriggs444 said:
But angular momentum has changed.

That applies to the second option but not to the first one. Changing the geographical north pole to another point of the surface without changing the orientation of the rotational axis requires neither energy nor angular momentum.
 
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How would you actually do it, with a spherical meteor and rockets attached to it, how would you keep the axis in the same direction and move the pole location, or vice versa?
 
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DrStupid said:
That applies to the second option but not to the first one. Changing the geographical north pole to another point of the surface without changing the orientation of the rotational axis requires neither energy nor angular momentum.
I think that is a third option -- move the crust around relative to the rotating spheroid so that the lump labelled Kilomanjaro is located at the pole.

Edit: Oh, I'm with you now. You want to leave the axis of rotation unchanged but re-orient the entire rigid assembly without changing its angular momentum while so doing. A torque-free precession.
 
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It's a solid sphere we said. A meteor.
 

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