Energy to put space shuttle in orbit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to place a space shuttle into orbit approximately 300 km above the Earth's surface. Participants are examining gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of orbital mechanics.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply gravitational equations to determine the energy needed for orbit, questioning the calculations and the expected results. There are discussions about the significance of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the shuttle's ascent.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion about the calculations and the expected answer. Some have provided insights into the total energy required for orbital insertion, while others are still grappling with the discrepancies in their results.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may include specific methods or equations that need to be adhered to. There is also mention of potential errors in the provided answer key, contributing to the confusion.

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Homework Statement


The space shuttle orbits about 300km above the surface of the Earth. The shape of the orbit is circular and the mass of the space shuttle is 6.8*104kg. The mass of the Earth is 6.0*1024kg and the radius of the Earth is 6.4 *106m. Calculate the energy needed to put the space shuttle into orbit.


Homework Equations



KE=GMm/rp

The Attempt at a Solution


Using G=6.67*10-11 with the mass of the Earth and shuttle and the radius of the Earth gives 4.2*1012J but the answer should be 2.2*1012J according to the book. Where am I going wrong?
 
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Think about what the gravitational potential energy GMm/r means.

The shuttle lifts (or rises) from re to re+300 km, where re is the radius of the earth.
 
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Hi calculator20! :smile:
calculator20 said:
The space shuttle orbits about 300km above the surface of the Earth. The shape of the orbit is circular and the mass of the space shuttle is 6.8*104kg. The mass of the Earth is 6.0*1024kg and the radius of the Earth is 6.4 *106m. Calculate the energy needed to put the space shuttle into orbit.

KE=GMm/rp

erm :redface: … you can't just leave it there :rolleyes: … it'll crash! :eek:

try giving it a shove! :smile:
 
If I do GMm/re I get 4.2*10 to the 12, GMm/re + 300000 gives 4.06 * 10 to the 12. The difference between them isn't 2.2 *10 to the 12?
I get
 
i am having exactly the same difficulty, its frustrating the hell out of me.
either i am not seeing something or there is an error in the answer page
 
yesyesyes said:
i am having exactly the same difficulty, its frustrating the hell out of me.
either i am not seeing something or there is an error in the answer page

Welcome to PF.

They want the total energy.

What is total energy to move from the surface of Terra to a 300km height?

What must the object have to be in orbit?

Etotal = ΔKE + ΔPE
 
so basically 2.2= KE (4.2) - PE (2.1)
allowing for roundings
?

Thanks a lot x
 

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