Energy/work on incline plane with springs

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses connected by a spring on an incline. The original poster describes a scenario where a 25 kg mass is pulled down a distance of 20 cm, affecting a 30 kg mass attached to a spring. The problem involves analyzing forces and energy conservation to determine the velocities of both masses when the spring returns to its unstretched state.

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  • Participants explore the relationships between the two masses and the spring, questioning how the movement of one mass affects the other. There are attempts to apply energy conservation principles and analyze forces acting on the system.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the spring and the connection between the masses. Some suggest using energy conservation to find velocities, while others express uncertainty about the implications of the forces involved. There is no explicit consensus on the approach or the correct interpretation of the problem.

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Key information such as the initial heights of the masses and the length of the incline is not specified, leading to challenges in applying energy conservation fully. Participants are considering how to account for the potential energy changes in both masses and the spring.

  • #31
Yep. You should solve using energy. My last post described how I would do it. You can answer haruspex's questions to get the same result.
 
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  • #32
Yea I know I messed up I thought 20 was the height for a second. Messed up but it is mg20 sin40
 
  • #33
Panphobia said:
Yea I know I messed up I thought 20 was the height for a second. Messed up but it is mg20 sin40

Well...If the initial height of m1 is 20+h ,then height of m1 at t=0 will be (20+h-20sin40°) .

Do you agree ?
 
  • #34
I do agree
 
  • #35
Good...

So the total mechanical energy of the system at t=0 =m1g(20+h-20sin40°) + m2g(40) + (1/2)k(20)2

Do you get the same expression ?
 
  • #36
ohhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyy, I didn't think of doing that, just adding the energies of m1 and m2. Now I get it so m1g(20+h-20sin40°) + m2g(40) + (1/2)k(20)2 = (1/2)m1v^2 + (1/2)m2v^2 + m2g20 + m1g(20 + h), then the m1g distributes and cancels with the mgh on the other side, and now it is solvable. Is that right?
 
  • #37
Panphobia said:
ohhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyy, I didn't think of doing that, just adding the energies of m1 and m2. Now I get it so m1g(20+h-20sin40°) + m2g(40) + (1/2)k(20)2 = (1/2)m1v^2 + (1/2)m2v^2 + m2g20 + m1g(20 + h), then the m1g distributes and cancels with the mgh on the other side, and now it is solvable. Is that right?

Excellent!

Well done :smile:
 
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  • #38
Man, you know what my problem is? I keep thinking back to high school physics where my teacher was awful, if I only used the knowledge I learned from the Uni lectures, I would be so much better off haha, but thanks :D
 
  • #39
m1g(20+h-20sin40°) + m2g(40) + (1/2)k(20)2 = (1/2)(m1+2)v2+ m2g(20) + m1g(20+h)

Rearranging a bit , -m1g(20sin40°) + m2g(20) + (1/2)k(20)2 = (1/2)(m1+2)v2

The above is what haruspex referrred in Post#27 .

I did not want to confuse you .First I wanted you to look at this approach and then thought of taking you to the better approach mentioned by haruspex .

Initially I had thought on the similar lines as haruspex ,but wasn't sure if that was simpler for you .
 
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  • #40
If my dumb self had thought of treating the objects and spring as one whole system, then everything would have made so much more sense, but thanks though, your assistance really helped, now I actually know the concept and when the exam comes I will actually know what to do in this type of situation.
 
  • #41
Good luck :thumbs:
 

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