Eng Mechanics: Resultants of force systems

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The problem involves determining the force from given moments about different points in a mechanics context. Specifically, it addresses the moments of a force F about points O, A, and B, with a focus on the conditions under which the moment about point A is zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of moments about points O and B, questioning the signs of the moments and the implications of the force passing through point A. There is a debate over the correctness of the calculated force components and the potential for errors in the original poster's reasoning.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with participants providing alternative interpretations of the moments and questioning the assumptions made regarding the direction of forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs of the moments, but no consensus has been reached on the correct values for the force components.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the answer provided in the textbook, leading to discussions about potential typos or errors in the book. The problem context includes specific directions for the force and moments, which are critical to the calculations being discussed.

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Homework Statement


In the figure , the moment of a certain force F is 180ft - lb clockwise about O and 90ft-lb counterclockwise about B. If its moment about A is zero, determine the force.
moment.jpg



Homework Equations


Moment of a force
Mo = Fy(x)
Mo = Fx(y)


The Attempt at a Solution


Since its moment about A is zero then the force passes through A down to the right because the problem mentioned its directions:

Moment of F w/ respect to O = 180ft - lb = Fx(y)
180ft - lb = Fx (3)
Fx = 30lb

Moment of F w/ respect to B = 90ft - lb = Fy(x)
90ft - lb = Fy(6)
Fy = 15lb
using Summation of components:
F^2 = (30)^2 + (15)^2
F = 61.8lb

the answer at the book is 75lb down to the right at theta = 36.9 degrees
is the book a typo?
 
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Edwardo_Elric said:

Homework Statement


In the figure , the moment of a certain force F is 180ft - lb clockwise about O and 90ft-lb counterclockwise about B. If its moment about A is zero, determine the force.
moment.jpg



Homework Equations


Moment of a force
Mo = Fy(x)
Mo = Fx(y)


The Attempt at a Solution


Since its moment about A is zero then the force passes through A down to the right because the problem mentioned its directions:

Moment of F w/ respect to O = 180ft - lb = Fx(y)
180ft - lb = Fx (3)
Fx = 30lb
your math is off...Fx = 60

Moment of F w/ respect to B = 90ft - lb = Fy(x)
What about the conrtribution of Fx(y)??
the answer at the book is 75lb down to the right at theta = 36.9 degrees
is the book a typo?
No
 
thanks for replying Phantom Jay

Moment of F w/ respect to O = 180ft - lb = Fx(3)
Fx = 60lb

I don't understand this part:
Since F passes through A... and you compute its moment w/ respect to O
Fx on this part is clockwise so it is a positive moment
Fy on this part is counterclockwise so it has a negative moment

Moment of F w/ respect to B = 90ft-lb = Fx(3) - Fy(6)
90 = (60)(3) - Fy(6)
Fy(6) = 90 - 180
Fy = 30lb

but when i put the counter clockwise as positive moment the answer would be 45 and the answer would be the same as of the back of the book...
is it because of the signs?
 
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Edwardo_Elric said:
thanks for replying Phantom Jay

Moment of F w/ respect to O = 180ft - lb = Fx(3)
Fx = 60lb

I don't understand this part:
Since F passes through A... and you compute its moment w/ respect to O
Fx on this part is clockwise so it is a positive moment
Fy on this part is counterclockwise so it has a negative moment

Moment of F w/ respect to B = 90ft-lb = Fx(3) - Fy(6)
90 = (60)(3) - Fy(6)
Fy(6) = 90 - 180
Fy = 30lb

but when i put the counter clockwise as positive moment the answer would be 45 and the answer would be the same as of the back of the book...
is it because of the signs?
You have chosen clockwise as positive therefore counterclockwise is negative. Therefore, your equation should read, asuming Fy acts down,
-90 = 60(3) -Fy(6)
-270 = -Fy(6)
Fy = 45 downward
 

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