Engineering Course Plan: What's Best?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the optimal course plan for an Electrical Engineering (EE) major, focusing on the sequencing of Physics II, Calculus III, Ordinary Differential Equations (ODE), Statics, and Circuit Analysis. Participants explore the interdependencies of these subjects and their implications for learning and workload, particularly in a summer semester context.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that ODE can be taken after Calc II instead of Calc III, raising questions about the best order for these courses.
  • Another participant notes that their experience with Calc III involved multidimensional functions, which they argue is particularly useful for Physics II, especially in the context of electricity and magnetism.
  • Concerns are expressed about the difficulty of Statics, Circuit Analysis, and ODE, with a desire to avoid taking too many challenging courses simultaneously.
  • A participant mentions that at their school, ODE is not a prerequisite for Circuit Analysis, suggesting that students can succeed in Circuit Analysis without having taken ODE first.
  • There is a discussion about the teaching methods in Circuit Analysis, where some instructors may simplify the process using Laplace transforms rather than requiring formal ODE solutions.
  • One participant questions the necessity of taking Calc III concurrently with Physics II, noting that their school does not require it.
  • Another participant shares that most students in Physics II at their school took Calc III concurrently, but a few who took ODE instead did not struggle in the class.
  • There is a mention of the potential usefulness of vector calculus from Calc III for Physics II, although it is not deemed essential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the sequencing of courses and the necessity of taking Calc III with Physics II. While some believe that ODE should precede Circuit Analysis, others argue that it is not strictly necessary. The discussion reflects multiple competing views on the best approach to course planning.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that course requirements and teaching methods can vary significantly between universities, which may influence their perspectives on course sequencing and difficulty.

Who May Find This Useful

Students in Electrical Engineering or related fields considering their course plans, particularly those navigating the prerequisites and sequencing of mathematics and physics courses.

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So I am an EE major currently taking Physics I and Calc II. Originally my plan was to take Physics II, Calc III, and Statics together with ODE and Circuit Analysis in the summer.

A friend of mine made a point that ODE can come after Calc II rather than III. So now I have an option of switching Calc III and ODE.

Now because all of these subjects probably share information (the math learned can be applied towards the physics) which order is the best. Is any Calc III used in physics II because I know ODE is necessary for Circuit analysis (its listed as a co-req) so it might be beneficial to learn it before I get there.

How hard (relatively and in general) are Statics, Circuits, and ODE. I don't want to load all the hard classes together. Especially in a summer semester.
 
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So to clarify, the CalcIII I did was mostly about multidimensional functions and multidimensional integrals, which is very useful to physics courses in general and to physics II in particular (assuming, physics II = electricity and magnetism)

Now about ODE, I'm sure you have already encountered the subject (since you've done physics I ). Obviously you didn't learn anything formal there, so if you are interested in the formalism and the delicate details, you should do it. However I'm not certain it would help you much in your physics courses, since mathematical courses do not give much attention to actually solving equations, and when you do solve some you'll most probably do it as you've learned in physics (i.e the intuitive way)
 
Chunkysalsa said:
So I am an EE major currently taking Physics I and Calc II. Originally my plan was to take Physics II, Calc III, and Statics together with ODE and Circuit Analysis in the summer.

A friend of mine made a point that ODE can come after Calc II rather than III. So now I have an option of switching Calc III and ODE.

Now because all of these subjects probably share information (the math learned can be applied towards the physics) which order is the best. Is any Calc III used in physics II because I know ODE is necessary for Circuit analysis (its listed as a co-req) so it might be beneficial to learn it before I get there.

How hard (relatively and in general) are Statics, Circuits, and ODE. I don't want to load all the hard classes together. Especially in a summer semester.

In my school you do not need to have taken calc 3 before you take ode's/

Circuit analysis involves extensive ode's as most of the time when you solve a circuit that's essentially what you're doing (solving a diff eqtn).

However it depends on your teacher, sometimes they'll have you solve the circuit via actually solving the equation or if they're somewhat lazy mathematically they'll turn everything into simple algebra via the Laplace transform (which you learn and derive in ode's but to apply them is actually quite simple, again easy algebra and maybe some matrix operations if your teacher doesn't like their TI-89 calculators too much).

IMO, take ODE's (and Linear algebra if you can) before you take Circuit Analysis; I don't imagine ODE's and Statics would be that difficult together, I just think you might be a bit lost in circuits w/out an ode class unless its very rudimentary.
 
What about Calc 3 and Physics II, any loss not taking those together.
 
At my school, the majority of physics II students were taking calc III concurrently. However, there were maybe 5-7 people who were taking ODE instead. The prof gave them a waiver and allowed them in the class. They didn't struggle at all.
 
Okay cool, my school's physics II doesn't require calc III at all only calc II.

I just know calc III goes over vector calculus that I thought might be useful.
 

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