Engineering Mechanics vs. physics majors' Newtonian Mechanics books

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The discussion explores the differences between Engineering Mechanics books and physics majors' Mechanics books, focusing on curriculum content, topics covered, and pedagogical approaches. Participants consider specific subjects that may be included or excluded in each discipline's study of mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Engineering Mechanics books do not cover topics like Poisson brackets and Hamilton-Jacobi formalism, which are typically found in physics curricula.
  • Others note that physics books usually do not include statics, which is a focus in Engineering Mechanics.
  • There is a mention that engineering students may study elasticity, stress, and strain topics more extensively than physics undergraduates.
  • One participant indicates that Mechanical Engineers at their local university learn analytical mechanics (e.g., Euler-Lagrange) in graduate studies, while they learned it in their second year as part of a combined maths-physics degree.
  • Another participant describes Hiebler as a lower-division text focusing on practical problem-solving methods, contrasting it with the more sophisticated treatment of classical mechanics found in physics courses.
  • A participant compares John Taylor's Classical Mechanics with Hiebler, noting that while there is overlap, Taylor's scenarios are more contrived and involve a more advanced mathematical treatment.
  • One participant expresses a personal experience with Taylor, indicating they have not engaged deeply with the problem sets, suggesting a difference in approach to learning between the two texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the content and focus of Engineering Mechanics versus physics majors' Mechanics books, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include potential missing assumptions about the curricula at different institutions and the varying depth of topics covered in each discipline's approach to mechanics.

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How does Engineering Mechanics books differ from physics majors' Mechanics books?

Are there any topics which aren't covered in the physics curriculum?

I plan on reading this summer some Engineering Mechanics book (Hiebler looks like sort of canonical for UG stuff).

The best learning is by self learning... :oldbiggrin:
 
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I would guess that engineers do not study Poisson brackets and Hamilton-Jacobi formalism.

Physics books, on the other hand, usually do not cover statics.
 
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mad mathematician said:
How does Engineering Mechanics books differ from physics majors' Mechanics books?

Are there any topics which aren't covered in the physics curriculum?

I plan on reading this summer some Engineering Mechanics book (Hiebler looks like sort of canonical for UG stuff).

The best learning is by self learning... :oldbiggrin:
I guess they study more elasticity-stress-strain topics than the average physics undergraduate.
 
Demystifier said:
I would guess that engineers do not study Poisson brackets and Hamilton-Jacobi formalism.

Physics books, on the other hand, usually do not cover statics.
I know that Mechanical Engineers' at my local university learn analytical mechanics (Euler-Lagrange etc) in their graduate studies, while in my BSc (combined maths-physics degree) we learnt AM on second year.
 
mad mathematician said:
How does Engineering Mechanics books differ from physics majors' Mechanics books?
Why don't you look at some books and compare them.
 
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Hiebler looks like a lower-division statics and dynamics text. The statics and dynamics courses focus on efficient methods for solving practical problems.

At that level, physics majors typically just see these topics in introductory physics, which engineering majors also take. I don't know of a comparable text for physics majors. Physics majors, however, do usually take a course on classical mechanics in their junior year, where the subject is covered in a more sophisticated and deeper way. The material is nothing like what you do in statics and dynamics.
 
I have a Classical Mechanics by John Taylor, that would have been part of a Physics minor. I feel like there is overlap with Hiebler Dynamics but the scenarios in which you test yourself are more contrived in Taylor and more advanced mathematical treatment where they do meet. Hiebler gets around the advanced stuff by saying "what is happening precisely here", where you find much more "what is happening in general" in Taylor.

That being said, I've only ever skim read Taylor for fun- that is I read it, followed examples. I did not apply it by trying to solve any significant amount the problem sets in the text. It was on my "to do list" at one time, but that ship has probably sailed.
 
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