Engineering Solutions for a Broken Chair

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around engineering solutions for repairing a broken wooden chair, specifically focusing on the methods and materials to use for reattaching the seat support to the back leg after the original wooden pegs broke. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of metal bolts versus wooden dowels, and the implications of each method on the repair's strength and appearance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using long screws to reattach the chair parts after drilling out the broken pegs, but expresses concern about the holes being too wide for a secure fit.
  • Another participant proposes using wood dowels instead of metal bolts, emphasizing that dowels can be larger than the original pegs and suggesting the use of grooved dowels for better glue adhesion.
  • A participant raises a concern that if the holes are too large for the threaded bolts, there may be insufficient grip, recommending the application of glue to enhance the bond.
  • One participant expresses reluctance to use dowels due to concerns about their strength and potential for breaking under weight.
  • Another participant notes the difficulty of screwing a large bolt into wood and mentions the availability of power tools for the task.
  • There is a suggestion that if dowels are not preferred, the participant could consider crafting a new piece from scratch if necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method for repair, with some advocating for metal bolts and others for wooden dowels. There is no consensus on which approach is superior, and concerns about the effectiveness and aesthetics of each method remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of hole sizes and the materials used, noting that the choice of repair method may depend on the desired strength and appearance of the final product. There are also considerations regarding the tools available for the repair process.

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I guess this goes under engineering, but if not then whoops.

I sat down hard on a wooden chair recently and heard a loud snap noise. I discovered that the wooden pegs that connected the right seat support to one of the back legs had snapped. So I pulled the chair apart and drilled out the remains of the pegs.

My idea being that I could just drill the holes in the back leg all the way through and put some long screws into re-attach the pieces. The problem is when I checked the diameter of the pegs to select a bit to remove them I measured the middle instead of the base, and they were made of a soft material that compressed to fit the hole in the support, so the holes are a little wide now.

I drilled them out with a 3/8 inch bit. I just went to the hardware store and the only thing they had that was big enough to work were 1/2 inch lag bolts. I would need to get some nice fat four inch long ones to do the job.

Using this plan I would widen the holes in the support/leg to be wide enough to accept the shaft of the bolt, and let the threads dig in on their own. Then after countersinking the holes in the back leg put everything back together.

Does this sound like a reasonable solution?
 
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Why not get some wood dowel unstead of metal bolts?

It doesn't matter if you use a bigger size dowel than the original, and you can drill right through the leg if you don't care what the repair looks like.

You want dowel that is grooved along its length (like a rifle barrel, but straight grooves not sprirals) so it can be compressed into a slightly undersized hole, and the grooves hold plenty of glue while it is being assembled.

If you think glue will not be strong enough on its own, you can put a small nail through the leg and the dowel at right angles to the dowel, to stop the joint pulling apart.
 
Lancelot59 said:
Using this plan I would widen the holes in the support/leg to be wide enough to accept the shaft of the bolt, and let the threads dig in on their own.
If the holes were large enough to let the threaded bolt through, it sounds like there'd be some gap and they might not grip. You might dip the bolt in white glue before putting it in.
 
AlephZero said:
Why not get some wood dowel unstead of metal bolts?

It doesn't matter if you use a bigger size dowel than the original, and you can drill right through the leg if you don't care what the repair looks like.

You want dowel that is grooved along its length (like a rifle barrel, but straight grooves not sprirals) so it can be compressed into a slightly undersized hole, and the grooves hold plenty of glue while it is being assembled.

If you think glue will not be strong enough on its own, you can put a small nail through the leg and the dowel at right angles to the dowel, to stop the joint pulling apart.
Well I do want it to look alright. I'm reluctant to use dowel, I'm concerned it will just break if I fall into the chair again.

DaveC426913 said:
If the holes were large enough to let the threaded bolt through, it sounds like there'd be some gap and they might not grip. You might dip the bolt in white glue before putting it in.
I meant to say that I would only provide clearance for the shaft. The threads would still be able to dig in.
 
Lancelot59 said:
I meant to say that I would only provide clearance for the shaft. The threads would still be able to dig in.
You may have a heckuva time screwing that bolt into wood.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You may have a heckuva time screwing that bolt into wood.

That's why we invented power tools? I didn't see any actual screws that were a half inch wide at the store, and I don't really think dowels are the best option, although I may just do that. I guess I could always sentence the wood to the scrap pile and make one from scratch, but I don't want to unless I need to.
 
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