Enthelpy table application in a refrigeration problem

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The discussion revolves around the application of enthalpy tables in a refrigeration problem involving the refrigerant HFC-134a. Participants are trying to reconcile the enthalpy values obtained from different sources and methods, particularly focusing on the enthalpy at a specific temperature and pressure.

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  • Participants are examining discrepancies in enthalpy values derived from various tables and methods, questioning the accuracy of the values provided in the original post. Some suggest using the pressure table instead of the temperature table, while others discuss the implications of neglecting certain terms in the equations used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the use of temperature versus pressure tables for enthalpy calculations. Some have offered specific calculations and references to support their claims, while others are exploring the reasoning behind the choice of tables and the potential corrections needed.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the appropriate use of temperature and pressure tables, as well as the assumptions made in the calculations. Participants are also considering the accuracy of the provided enthalpy values and the implications of using different approaches.

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Homework Statement
How to get the enthalpy of point 3?
(see pic attached)
Relevant Equations
(Cengel 8th ed) table A12 & A13 & A14
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How to get h3 = 111.37?
According to table a-13, sat temp@1.2MPa = 46.29oC, and T3 is lower than that. So the refrigerant should be totally in liquid state, and heat capacity should be used instead. However, from textbook, no heat capacity is given from table.
If graph of A14 is used, at 1.2MPa and T=42oC, enthalpy should be lying somewhere between 250-300kJ/kg instead.

However, from solution, 111.37 is found, how to obtain this answer?

Thank you.
 
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According to this table, https://www.ohio.edu/mechanical/thermo/property_tables/R134a/R134a_TempSat2.html
the enthalpy of the saturated liquid at 42 C is 111.26 kJ/kg, and the corresponding pressure and specific volume are 1072 kPa and 0.000878 m^3/kg. Using the equation ##\Delta h=v\Delta P##, we have: $$h=111.26+(0.000878)(1200-1072)=111.37\ kJ/kg$$This neglects the term ##\alpha T## in the equation $$dh=C_pdT+v(1-\alpha T)dP$$where ##\alpha## is the coefficient of volume expansion.
 
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Chestermiller said:
According to this table, https://www.ohio.edu/mechanical/thermo/property_tables/R134a/R134a_TempSat2.html
the enthalpy of the saturated liquid at 42 C is 111.26 kJ/kg, and the corresponding pressure and specific volume are 1072 kPa and 0.000878 m^3/kg. Using the equation ##\Delta h=v\Delta P##, we have: $$h=111.26+(0.000878)(1200-1072)=111.37\ kJ/kg$$This neglects the term ##\alpha T## in the equation $$dh=C_pdT+v(1-\alpha T)dP$$where ##\alpha## is the coefficient of volume expansion.

But why do we use temperature table instead of pressure table?
 
yecko said:
But why do we use temperature table instead of pressure table?
It can be done using the pressure table too, but not as straightforwardy, and probably not as accurately.
 
how can we decide which of pressure or temperature
Chestermiller said:
It can be done using the pressure table too, but not as straightforwardy, and probably not as accurately.

can be used?
 
yecko said:
how can we decide which of pressure or temperature
Do it both ways and see which requires a larger correction.
can be used?
I'll help you work it out. Start with the equation I gave in post #4, and see if you can figure out how to use it to get the heat capacity (using the data in the pressure table).
 

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