Entropy Calculation Homework: Isothermal Free Expansion

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a thermally insulated cylinder with a piston, where air at different pressures is allowed to reach equilibrium. The original poster seeks to compute the final pressure, temperature, and increase of entropy, while questioning the nature of the process involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the ideal gas law and entropy equations but expresses confusion over the calculations and assumptions regarding the process type.
  • Some participants question the interpretation of the problem, particularly whether it constitutes free expansion or a spontaneous expansion, and the implications of temperature changes during the process.
  • There are inquiries about the definitions of volume and moles in the context of the problem, as well as the potential for temperature variations between the gas compartments.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made about the process and the behavior of the gases involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions and implications of the scenario, but no consensus has been reached on the nature of the process or the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion due to the phrasing of the problem and the assumptions about ideal gas behavior. There is also a recognition of the constraints imposed by the thermally insulated nature of the system and the need for clarity on the definitions of volume and moles in the context of the gases involved.

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Homework Statement


A thermally insulated cylinder, closed at both ends, is fitted with a frictionless heat-conducting piston that divides the cylinder into two parts. Initially, the piston is clamped in the center with 1 liter of air at 300 K and 2 atm pressure on one side and 1 liter of air at 300K at 1 atm pressure on the other side. The piston is released and reaches equilibrium in pressure and temperature at a new position. Compute the final pressure and temperature and increase of entropy if air is assumed to be the ideal gas. What irreversible process has taken place?


Homework Equations


[tex]\Delta[/tex]S = [tex]\Delta[/tex]Q/T

The Attempt at a Solution


This is an isothermal free expansion. So temperature remains constant. I know the final pressure will be 1.5 atm (intuitively, (1+2)/2), but how can I compute this out by ideal gas law?

By PV=nRT,
(101325)(1000/1000000)=n (8.31)(300)
n1(the compartment with 1atm)=0.040643802
n2(the compartment with 2atm) = 0.081828
TOTAL number of moles = 0.12193

When I search through the Internet, I find this equation
[tex]\Delta[/tex]S=nRln(Vf/Vi) = 0.12193(8.31)ln2 = 0.702323...

but the answer is 0.0566, what's wrong with my calculation?
 
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Why did you use [itex]V_f/V_i=2[/itex]? That ratio is supposed to represent the final and initial volumes.
 
Actually, from the phase'1 liter of air', i am not quite sure about it is about the volume or number of moles. Moreover, when I think this question again, it is not free expansion as the sentence "The piston is released and reaches equilibrium in pressure and temperature at a new position." provides the fact that the piston is still in the cylinder. Then another question comes, if it is not free expansion, then, what irreversible process has taken place.

Together with this question, i have one more question to ask...
Answer: 1.5 atm. 300K, 0.0566 J/K
For the first answer, the piston stops moving when the pressure of the two compartments are equal, that is 1.5 atm.
From the second answer, it seems that the temperature is assumed to be unchanged. However, we know that PV=nRT, it may be the case that the temperature increase.
Anybody can help me to clarify? It may be crucial in solving the increase in entropy.
Thanks You.
 
cowcow8866 said:
Actually, from the phase'1 liter of air', i am not quite sure about it is about the volume or number of moles.

The liter is a measure of volume. By applying an assumption (ideality), and knowing the pressure and temperature, one can calculate the amount of gas in moles.

cowcow8866 said:
Moreover, when I think this question again, it is not free expansion as the sentence "The piston is released and reaches equilibrium in pressure and temperature at a new position." provides the fact that the piston is still in the cylinder. Then another question comes, if it is not free expansion, then, what irreversible process has taken place.

It is not a free expansion (because the gas does not expand into a vacuum), but it is a spontaneous expansion.

cowcow8866 said:
From the second answer, it seems that the temperature is assumed to be unchanged. However, we know that PV=nRT, it may be the case that the temperature increase.
Anybody can help me to clarify? It may be crucial in solving the increase in entropy.
Thanks You.

Can the gases end up at different temperatures, considering the boundary between them?
Can the gases end up at an average temperature different from 300K, considering the boundary between the gases and the outside environment?
 
I can figure out the calculation of the increase in entropy now. However, I still cannot understand why the temperatures remain unchanged. Thank You.
 
I find it most useful to take a reductio ad absurdum approach here: assume the temperature does change in one or both of the chambers. What are the implications? Do these implications make sense, considering what we know about the barrier properties, the system boundary conditions, and the energy of an ideal gas as a function of temperature?
 

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