Epsilon-delta proof of linear eq. with negative slope

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The discussion revolves around an epsilon-delta proof related to the limit of a linear equation with a negative slope, specifically the limit as x approaches 2 for the function 5 - 3x. Participants explore the process of establishing the limit and the corresponding epsilon and delta values to satisfy the definition of a limit.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the limit analytically and establish the relationship between epsilon and delta. They express uncertainty about the legality of certain manipulations and the introduction of absolute values. Other participants confirm the correctness of the steps taken and discuss the implications of manipulating the proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing well, with participants providing supportive feedback on the original poster's reasoning. There is a focus on ensuring that the manipulations made in the proof are mathematically sound, and some participants are exploring the implications of the steps taken without reaching a final consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges posed by the textbook's treatment of epsilon-delta proofs and the original poster's concerns about teaching themselves incorrect methods. There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the manipulations involved in proofs.

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I am familiar with most of how to do ε-δ proofs (even though our professor thought it unimportant to teach it, and our book kind of glosses over it (Larson, Fundamentals of Calculus, 9th), even quadratically, but for some reason I am just getting stuck on what is probably a simple problem.

Homework Statement



Find L. Then find ε > 0 and δ > 0 to satisfy the definition of a limit.
Given: \lim_{x \to 2} 5 - 3x

2. The attempt at a solution

First I determine \lvert x-2 \rvert < \delta.

Then, I solved for the limit L analytically
\lim_{x \to 2} 5 - 3x = 5 - 3(2) = -1

Now given that f(x) - L < \epsilon,
this limit can ben stated as \lvert 5 -3x -(-1) \rvert < \epsilon
Which can be restated as \lvert -3(x-2)\rvert < \epsilon
Or even \lvert -3 \rvert \cdot \lvert x-2 \rvert < \epsilon

So now what do I do? I am aware that \lvert -3 \rvert = 3, but to jump to that just to get an easy \frac{\epsilon}{3} value for \delta just seems improper. Plus I don't know how one can properly reintroduce the minus sign back into the absolute value when doing the final proof (not shown). Any thoughts on what I am overlooking?
 
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Your work so far seems fine. Your goal is to find a \delta > 0 such that
|-3| \cdot |x - 2| < \epsilon
provided that 0 < |x - 2| < \delta.

You already noted that |-3| = 3, so the inequality reduces to
3|x-2| < \epsilon
which is of course equivalent to
|x - 2| < \epsilon / 3
Now what value of \delta can you choose to guarantee that this inequality will hold, as long as 0 < |x - 2| < \delta?
 
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Okay, so provided that is all legal, then:

If \lvert x-2 \rvert < \delta
And \delta = \frac{\epsilon}{3}

Then \lvert x-2 \rvert &lt; \frac{\epsilon}{3}\\<br /> \downarrow\\<br /> 3 \cdot \lvert x-2 \rvert &lt; \epsilon\\<br /> \downarrow\\<br /> \lvert 3x - 6\rvert &lt; \epsilon\\<br /> \downarrow\\<br /> \lvert3x - 5 - 1\rvert &lt; \epsilon\\<br /> \downarrow

And now for the step I was afraid to do:
\lvert-3x + 5 + 1 \rvert&lt; \epsilon\\<br /> \downarrow\\<br /> \lvert 5-3x-(-1) \rvert&lt; \epsilon\\<br /> \downarrow\\<br /> \lvert f(x) - L\rvert &lt; \epsilon
Q.E.D.

Is that correct?
 
Yes, that's entirely correct. There's nothing wrong with the step that you were afraid to do. |-(anything)| = |anything|, regardless of what "anything" is.
 
Great. Thanks so much for putting my mind at ease. It's your statement in your last post that I just wasn't sure of. While it was intuitively correct, math doesn't always work that way, and I didn't want to take any chances of teaching myself some fouled up shortcut :). Funny enough, I just came across a sample \epsilon-\delta problem in my chapter review of \lim_{x \to 2}1-x^2 and cut through it like butter.

Also, I wasn't sure I could just manipulate the proof any way I chose -- but I guess that is sort of the nature of a proof, as long as the manipulations are mathematically sound. Thanks again.
 

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