Eqs of motion for 2-body problem in EM?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equations of motion for two charges in an electromagnetic (EM) field, specifically when these charges are the only sources of the field. The equations of motion are expressed as m_1(d²x_1/dt²) = f_1(x_1, \dot{x}_1, x_2, \dot{x}_2) and m_2(d²x_2/dt²) = f_2(x_1, \dot{x}_1, x_2, \dot{x}_2), where f_1 and f_2 account for retarded time effects. The complexity of these equations arises from the need to incorporate acceleration and retarded time, making them less practical in classical physics. The discussion also emphasizes the importance of a correct Lagrangian formulation to derive these equations accurately.

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What are the equations of motion for two charges where the two charges are the only sources for the EM field? (No background field)

What I'm looking for is given two particles of mass m_1 and m_2 with respective position vectors x_1 and x_2, what are f_1 and f_2 such that

[tex]m_1\frac{d^2x_1}{dt^2}=f_1(x_1,\dot{x}_1,x_2,\dot{x}_2)[/tex]

[tex]m_2\frac{d^2x_2}{dt^2}=f_2(x_1,\dot{x}_1,x_2,\dot{x}_2)[/tex]

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Anyone know of a text which covers this? A Lagrangian or Hamiltonian for the same situation would do as well.

I'm looking for the relativistic case in which the propagation time is taken into effect. That is, [tex]x_2,\dot{x}_2[/tex] in the expression for [tex]f_1[/tex] should be taken at the "retarded time", and similarly for [tex]x_1,\dot{x}_1[/tex] in [tex]f_2[/tex].
 
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You must mean the second time derivative.
The equations for f are quite complicated, and just about useless in classical physics because they involve the retarded time and the acceleration itself.
The equations for constant velocity of each particle are simpler, but they are useless if the particles start to accelerate (or had been accelerating in the past).
 
clem said:
You must mean the second time derivative.

Thanks! Of course. I corrected it.

The equations for f are quite complicated, and just about useless in classical physics because they involve the retarded time and the acceleration itself.

Oh, I know the solutions are useless. My purpose is that I want to understand certain aspects of the Lagrangian. And to make sure I have the correct Lagrangian, it needs to be able to yield the equations of motion. Or, as I say in OP, I'd be happy with the correct Lagrangian itself.
 

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