Equal Energy Exchange in Gravitationally Attracted Objects?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy exchange between gravitationally attracted objects, specifically whether they impart equal energy to each other in opposite directions regardless of their mass differences. The scope includes theoretical considerations of gravitational interactions and energy conservation principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if gravitationally attracted objects give each other the same amount of energy in opposite directions, suggesting this might cancel out any net energy change.
  • Another participant clarifies that energy is a scalar quantity and does not have direction, though acknowledges the resulting velocities of the objects involved.
  • A different participant challenges the initial premise by calculating the velocity of a ball dropped from a height and comparing it to the minuscule velocity change of the Earth, suggesting that the energy lost by the Earth-ball system primarily converts to the ball's kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of energy exchange between the objects, with some agreeing on the scalar nature of energy while others dispute the idea that both objects experience equal energy transfer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions about energy transfer in gravitational systems, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculations of velocities and energy changes.

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Hey all. I was reading a post and a question popped into my head.

Do objects that are gravitationally attracted to each other give each other the same energy, but in opposite directions, no matter the difference in masses? Like if I drop a ball from 100 ft, does the ball give the Earth the same amount of energy that the Earth gives the ball, but just in the opposite direction? I'm assuming this cancels out any net gain or loss in energy overall. Is that correct?
 
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Drakkith said:
same energy, but in opposite directions

Erm. Energy is a scalar quantity, it has no direction associated with it...
 
Nabeshin said:
Erm. Energy is a scalar quantity, it has no direction associated with it...

Ok. Energy resulting in velocity, but in opposite directions. Or however the correct way of saying it is.
 
Drakkith said:
Hey all. I was reading a post and a question popped into my head.

Do objects that are gravitationally attracted to each other give each other the same energy, but in opposite directions, no matter the difference in masses? Like if I drop a ball from 100 ft, does the ball give the Earth the same amount of energy that the Earth gives the ball, but just in the opposite direction? I'm assuming this cancels out any net gain or loss in energy overall. Is that correct?

I really don't think that they end up with the same energy. I get a result that it takes about 2.49 s for a ball dropped from that height to reach the ground, at which point it has a speed of about 24.45 m/s. If I use the miniscule acceleration experienced by the Earth (assuming a 1 kg ball) to figure out what Earth's velocity would be after 2.49 s, I get something like 4x10-24 m/s.

The net result seems to be that essentially ALL of the potential energy lost by the Earth-ball system ends up as kinetic energy of the ball.
 

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