Equality of Equivalence Classes

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The discussion revolves around the properties of equivalence relations and the equality of equivalence classes. The original poster is exploring the implications of the statement that if \( a \sim b \) for elements \( a, b \) in a set \( S \), then the equivalence classes \( E_a \) and \( E_b \) are equal.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to demonstrate the equality of equivalence classes starting from the assumption \( a \sim b \). They express uncertainty about their initial approach of picking an element \( x \) in \( (a,b) \) and seek guidance on how to proceed. Other participants suggest using transitivity and exploring the membership of elements in the equivalence classes to establish equality.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches to demonstrate the equality of equivalence classes. Some suggest direct methods involving transitivity, while others propose proof by contradiction. There is a collaborative exploration of different reasoning paths without a clear consensus on a single method yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses a lack of confidence in their starting point and is seeking foundational guidance. The discussion includes considerations of symmetry and transitivity as key properties of equivalence relations.

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Homework Statement


Suppose is an equivalence relation on a set S. If a \sim b for some a,b \in S,then E_{a}=E_{b}

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The Attempt at a Solution



Assume a \sim b for some a,b \in S. Pick x \in (a,b). For a \in S the equivalence class of a can be written as \{x \in S | a \sim x\}. For b \in S the equivalence class of b is the set \{x \in S | b \sim x\}.

Here is where I am a little stuck, I'm not sure if picking x in (a,b) is even possible or the right way to start this problem. I just don't know how to start the problem, if I know how to start it, I am pretty sure I can use the properties of Equivalence classes/relations and their definitions to show that the equivalence classes are equal but I need a good starting point.

Any and all help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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by the transivity of the equivalence relation, you should be able to show any element of one set is in the other
 
I know it's much simpler than I'm making it. I know that a \sim b from the problem statement, what method or steps do I take to go from there to show that E_{a}=E_{b}?
 
consider anyelement from Ea, and try and show it is in Eb an vice versa, then you're done
 
So if I pick z \in E_{a} this would mean that because a~z and that b~a(by symmetry of equivalence classes)we would have b~a and a~z and thus b~z(transitivity) and thus z is in the equivalence class of b. Would this be enough to show that the two equivalence classes of a and b respectively were equal? Or would I need to "go the other way" as well?
 
I would recommend a proof by contraction.

Suppose a~ b but E_a\ne E_b. Then either:
1) There exist x in E_a that is not in E_b or
2) There exist x in E_b that is not in [E_a.

In other words
1) There exist x that is equivalent to a but not to b or
2) There exist x that is equivalent to b but not to a.

The transitive law shows both of those are impossible.
 

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