Equation connecting potential and potential energy of a distribution

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The discussion centers on the equations for calculating potential energy in electric charge distributions, specifically highlighting the relationship between potential energy and electric potential. The first equation presented allows for the calculation of potential energy from the electric field, while the second equation connects potential energy to charge density and electric potential. A derivation method using vector calculus identities, particularly a product rule, is discussed to relate these equations. The identity used is recognized as a product rule in vector calculus, facilitating the derivation process. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the mathematical connections between electric fields, potential energy, and potential.
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The equation below allows us to calculate the potential energy of a continuous distribution of electric charge.
$$U=\frac {\epsilon_0} 2 \iiint\limits_\text{Entire electric field}\vec E^2\,dV$$
In my textbook, the author states
$$U=\frac 1 {8\pi\epsilon_0}\iiint\limits_\text{Entire electric field}\rho\phi\, dV$$
which relates the potential energy of the distribution to its electric potential. I wonder how it is derived from the first equation.

Edit: It looks like the equation is actually a special case of the following formula for a discrete configuration of charges:
$$U=\frac 1{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac 1 2\sum_{j=1}^Nq_j\sum_{k\neq j}\frac{q_k}{r_{jk}}$$
 
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The trick is to write ##\displaystyle{\int} E^2 dV = - \displaystyle{\int} \mathbf{E} \cdot \nabla \phi dV = -\displaystyle{\int}\nabla \cdot (\mathbf{E} \phi) dV + \displaystyle{\int} \phi \nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} dV##, where the integral is taken over all space. The first term vanishes by Gauss' theorem since ##\mathbf{E}## is zero at infinity.
 
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ergospherical said:
The trick is to write ##\displaystyle{\int} E^2 dV = - \displaystyle{\int} \mathbf{E} \cdot \nabla \phi dV = -\displaystyle{\int}\nabla \cdot (\mathbf{E} \phi) dV + \displaystyle{\int} \phi \nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} dV##, where the integral is taken over all space. The first term vanishes by Gauss' theorem since ##\mathbf{E}## is zero at infinity.
Can you tell me what the indentity $$\vec E\cdot\nabla\phi=\nabla\cdot(\vec E\phi)+\phi\nabla\cdot\vec E$$ is called? I am not very familiar with the del operator. Ty!
 
In suffix notation (with the ##x_i## Cartesian coordinates),\begin{align*}
\nabla \cdot (\mathbf{E} \phi) = \sum_i \dfrac{\partial}{\partial x_i} \left( E_i \phi \right) &= \sum_i \phi \dfrac{\partial E_i}{\partial x_i} + \sum_i E_i \dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial x_i} \\

&= \phi \nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} + \mathbf{E} \cdot \nabla \phi
\end{align*}
 
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