Equation for a circle plugging for x and y, not getting a

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The discussion revolves around finding a parameter "a" in the equation of a circle that is tangent to the y-axis at the point A(0,3). Participants are analyzing the mathematical steps involved in solving the equation.

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  • The original poster attempts to substitute the coordinates of point A into the circle's equation but encounters difficulties in their calculations. Some participants question the accuracy of the algebraic manipulations performed, particularly regarding the expansion and simplification of expressions.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying mathematical errors and discussing the implications of different approaches to the problem. There is a recognition of the need to correct misunderstandings in the algebraic process, and some guidance has been provided regarding simplifying expressions more effectively.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of correctly interpreting and manipulating algebraic expressions, with participants reflecting on their own methods and the potential for error in their calculations.

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You're making some errors in your working that need to be cleared up first.
You had [tex](0-a)^2[/tex] to compute, and this should quickly be seen as [tex](-a)^2=a^2[/tex] but instead you've gone through a longer route and forgot that [tex](-a)(-a)=a^2[/tex] and not [tex]-a^2[/tex]
Secondly, you expanded [tex](3-3)^2=(3-3)(3-3)=9-9-9+9=0[/tex] You most definitely don't need to do all this work! Notice 3-3=0 so (3-3)2=0.

Once you clear up these problems, you should arrive at a correct answer.
 
I'm going through the longer route because I don't have the mathematical insight you have. I need to compute things to actually see their result. My brain is not fused together with a calculator neuro-recepto-device like yours!

The fact that I automatically "need to know" what the result is doesn't give me a different answer, though. But regardless, without actually writing it down I can't tell. I'm not you.
 
Whether I have a neuro-recepto-device or not (does wolfram alpha count? :-p) it isn't needed to see things more clearly. You just need to understand what the math is telling you and get out of the habit of doing what you've done so many times before. You shouldn't look at a square of a sum and think "oh I need to expand because that's what I've done every other time", take a closer look at what you're doing.

(a+b)2 means add a and b together, then square them. Another expression for this (without adding first then squaring) is a2+2ab+b2. Now, both work because they're equivalent, but sometimes one is easier and more useful to use than another. For (3-3)2, you don't want to be using the second expression to solve this, because 3-3 can be computed really easily!

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Oh sorry I forgot to address this point

Femme_physics said:
The fact that I automatically "need to know" what the result is doesn't give me a different answer, though.

It should give you a different answer because [tex](0-a)^2=a^2[/tex] and you had [tex]-a^2[/tex]
 
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But, should I really get a different result in the shorter way? It doesn't seem to matter how I go about expanding and simplifying the expression, it boils down to that which I've written in the 4th line
 
Your fourth line is [tex]-a^2=a^2+16a+64[/tex] and I'm telling you it's [tex]a^2=a^2+16a+64[/tex]. Don't you see the difference? This one is very easy to solve, no quadratics :wink:
 
Ah, I didn't switch the signs! *smacks forehead* I'm an idiot. Thanks :)
 
No worries :smile:
 

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