Equations for Circles and Ellipses: A Helpful Guide

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The discussion revolves around understanding the equations for circles and ellipses, specifically addressing the correct forms of these equations and their interpretations. Participants are exploring the mathematical representations and properties of these shapes.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the differences between the equations for circles and ellipses, with some expressing confusion over the correct forms. Questions about the implications of the equations and their graphical representations are raised, including the need for sketches to aid understanding.

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I have no idea what to do please help me.
although i did this for the second equation,
x/2h+y/2k=1
this represents an elipse
first equation is circle
 

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I moved the thread to our homework section.
Suyash Singh said:
this represents an elipse
There are no squares in the equation. It is a straight line.

Did you draw a sketch?
 
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Suyash Singh said:
although i did this for the second equation,
x/2h+y/2k=1
Here's what you wrote:
$$\frac x 2 h + \frac y 2 k = 1$$

Here's what you meant:
$$\frac x {2h} + \frac y {2k} = 1$$
When you wrote those fractions on one line, the rules of PEMDAS dictate that the fractions x/2 and y/2 are multiplied by h and k, respectively. If you write them on one line, you need parentheses, like this x/(2h) + y/(2k) = 1.

As already noted, this equation is not the equation of an ellipse.
 
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Not all that easy question, especially as you have to read it half a dozen times to know what it actually is, but it's usually a help to know the answer, which apparently you do.

With that advantage you could think, hmm, Lines coming from points of intersection of a line with a circle that make a right angle – remember some well-known special case?
Can think if you make (x, y) = (0, 0) what happens to your equation to for the circle? That fits your case 2 and the circle going through the origin.
In which case right angle comes from lines from one point on the circumference to other two points on the cIrcumference... again remind of anything?
Centre is the point (k, h).
Line from origin to centre would have slope h/k.
Line at right angles to that would have slope -k/h.
Would have equation kx + hy = something.
Ask if it goes through the centre - it all falls out.

Makes sense, you just have to be able to present it deductively starting from the question not the answer. Hope that helps
 
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I have no idea what to do please help me.
although i did this for the second equation,
x/2h+y/2k=1
this represents an elipse
first equation is circle

You wrote
$$\frac{x}{2} h + \frac{y}{2} k = 1,$$
and then claimed it represents an ellipse. It does not: it represents a straight line. If you really want an ellipse you need to write
$$\frac{x^2}{h} + \frac{y^2}{k} = 1$$.
 
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