Equation of Hyperbola Passing Through Origin & With Asymptotes y=2x+1 & y=-2x+3

[farmd684]

Homework Statement

Find an equation of a hyperbola that passes through origin and has asymptotes y = 2x+1 and y= -2x+3

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

I have got the center ( 1/2,2 ) and as it passes through the center i have this equation

4/a² - 1/(4b²) from this information how can i get the ratio a/b ?

Thanks

 

[Mentallic]

Draw a diagram first (with reasonable accuracy). Notice that to have the hyperbola pass through the origin with those asymptotes, it must be an "up-down" hyperbola. This means the standard form for the hyperbola that youve used needs to be equal to -1 rather than 1.

So you have \frac{4}{a^2}-\frac{1}{4b^2}=-1

And it isn't possible to get the ratio a/b out of this equation. You need to use another piece of information. For a standard hyperbola that has the centre at the origin, what are the equations of its asymptotes?

 

[farmd684]

Draw a diagram first (with reasonable accuracy). Notice that to have the hyperbola pass through the origin with those asymptotes, it must be an "up-down" hyperbola. This means the standard form for the hyperbola that youve used needs to be equal to -1 rather than 1.

So you have \frac{4}{a^2}-\frac{1}{4b^2}=-1

And it isn't possible to get the ratio a/b out of this equation. You need to use another piece of information. For a standard hyperbola that has the centre at the origin, what are the equations of its asymptotes?

I know the fact that it is a up down hyperbola. considering that info and the coordinate of the center i have this form of equation :

(y-2)² /a² - (x-1/2)²/b² = 1and putting (0,0) in this equation i get this form

4/a² - 1/(4b²) = 1

so i guess it should be right. I have to find now the ratio a/b. And the general form of asymptote lines for a hyperbola in standard position is

y-k = +- b/a (x-h) where h,k is the coordinate of the center.

 

[Mentallic]

Ahh yes sorry for that. Long, embarrassing story short, I mixed up the b and a.

Ok so what is the ratio of b/a then? If you're unsure, notice the similarity between that formula, and the point-gradient formula for a line:

y-k=\pm \frac{b}{a}(x-h)

y-y_1=m(x-x_1)

Now when you find the ratio of b/a, you can simultaneously solve that with the other equality to find both a and b.


EDIT:
I now realize what the little mix up about how the standard form should be set out was. We were both wrong. Again, I'm sorry, I found conics kind of dodgy when I studied them a while back, so now my memory has made it worse. But trust that I'm right now

The standard side-side hyperbola with centre at (h,k) is \left(\frac{x-h}{a}\right)^2-\left(\frac{y-k}{b}\right)^2=1 This formula is most important and you can adapt the other types from this one!

But when you're dealing with up-down hyperbolas, it is instead equal to -1.

So what we have when multiplying through by -1 is \left(\frac{y-k}{b}\right)^2-\left(\frac{x-h}{a}\right)^2=1

See how the b divides the y coordinate, not the x.
Now just follow the previous advice I had given, and all will fall into place

 

[farmd684]

so i have to find the gradient of those two lines ? It gives me 2 and -2 for those two lines. Then b/a = +-2 ?

 

[Mentallic]

Yes that's right.

Simultaneously solve

\frac{4}{b^2}-\frac{1}{4a^2}=1

and

\frac{b}{a}=\pm 2

But you should notice that that when you square both sides it rids you of the \pm so don't be freaked out by it

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi farmd684! Thanks for the PM.

Find an equation of a hyperbola that passes through origin and has asymptotes y = 2x+1 and y= -2x+3
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I have got the center ( 1/2,2 ) and as it passes through the center i have this equation

4/a² - 1/(4b²) from this information how can i get the ratio a/b ?

Thanks

Start again …

since the centre is (1/2,2), the equation must be (x - 1/2)²/a² - (y - 2)²/b² = constant,

so use the ratio a/b from the given asymptotes.

 

[farmd684]

Hi farmd684! Thanks for the PM.


Start again …

since the centre is (1/2,2), the equation must be (x - 1/2)²/a² - (y - 2)²/b² = constant,

so use the ratio a/b from the given asymptotes.

The focal axis should always be defined as (a) in hyperbola (or not). So in my book all up down hyperbola are defined by y²/a² - x² /b² form. I also know that for a updown hyperbola i have asymptotic ratio defined by a/b whereas it is b/a for a right left. As the coordinates are below both of the asymptotic lines so should't it be a updown hyperbola thus following the pattern y²/a² ?

A similar problem from book which answer is given :

Asymptotes y=x-2 and y=-x+4 and passes through the origin.
center ( 1/2,2)
they have found a/b=2 how they got it ?

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi farmd684!

I don't know why you're following all these rules …

a hyperbola (with asymptotes of equal slope) has to be of the form (x - p)²/a² - (y - q)²/b² = constant …

if the constant is positive it'll be up-down, and if it's negative it'll be left-right (or is it the other way round?) …

just put the numbers in and see what works …

the constant has to be such that x = y = 0 (in this case) satisfies the equation, and also such that when x = y = ∞, y = ± 2x.

That's all you need to know! ​

 

[HallsofIvy]

Look at
\frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^}= 1
for very large values of x and y. For "regular size" a and b, both x^2/a^2 and y^2/b^2 will be very, very large. In fact, that poor little "1" on the right is negligible in comparison.

That is, for very large x and y, the graph will be very close to the graph of
\frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^2}= \left(\frac{x}{a}- \frac{y}{b}\right)\left(\frac{x}{a}+ \frac{y}{b}\right)= 0
which is just the two straight lines corresponding to x/a= y/b and x/a= -y/b or y= \pm\frac{b}{a}x.



As to how your book got b/a= 2 from asymptotes y=x-2 and y=-x+4, I have no idea. Since those lines have slope 1 and -1, it should be b/a= 1, not 2. The two lines intersect, of course, where y= x- 2= -x+ 4 so that 2x= 6, x= 3. Then y= 3-2= -3+ 4= 1. If the asymptotes are y= x-2 and y= -x+ 4, as you say, the center is at (3, 1), not (1/2, 2). Such a hyperbola must be of the form (x-3)^2- (y-1)^2= k for some (non-zero) number k. If, in addition to having those asymptotes, the hyperbola passes through the origin, we must have (-3)^2- (-1)^2= 8= k so that k is either 10 or -10 giving either (x-3)^2- (y-1)^2= 8 or (x-3)^2- (y-1)^2= -8 so that (y-1)^2- (x-3)^2= 8.

That is, such a hyperbola must be either
\frac{(x-3)^2}{8}- \frac{(y-1)^2}{8}= 1
or
\frac{(y-1)^2}{8}- \frac{(x-3)^2}{8}= 1

 

[farmd684]

Thanks for the explanation
The book definitely published wrong answer.
Well you wrote
so that k is either 10 or -10. It should be 8 or -8 right ?