Vector Form: Line Passing Through (2, -1) and Parallel to 2x-3y=1

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The problem involves finding the vector form of a line in ℝ2 that passes through the point P=(2, -1) and is parallel to the line represented by the equation 2x-3y=1. Participants are exploring the relationship between the slopes of the lines and the implications for the vector form.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the vector form of the line and its relationship to the general form of the line equation. There is an exploration of the normal vector and its significance in determining parallelism. Questions arise regarding the slope derived from the general form and how it relates to the vector representation.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct slope and its implications for the vector form. Some participants have noted discrepancies in the proposed vector forms and are questioning the calculations and assumptions made about the slopes and parallelism. Guidance has been offered to check the slopes and the relationship between the lines.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of parallel lines and the implications of the normal vector in the context of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring that the vector form accurately reflects the conditions set by the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Find the vector form of the equation of the line in ℝ2 that passes through P=(2, -1) and is parallel to the line with general equation 2x-3y=1.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


vector form: x=p+td
general form: ax+by=c
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a=2, b=-3, so [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[2, -3], am I right?
 
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Math9999 said:

Homework Statement


Find the vector form of the equation of the line in ℝ2 that passes through P=(2, -1) and is parallel to the line with general equation 2x-3y=1.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


vector form: x=p+td
general form: ax+by=c
--------------------------------
a=2, b=-3, so [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[2, -3], am I right?

That looks like a guess. Can you draw those two lines and see whether they are parallel or not?
 
They are but how do I figure out the normal vector?
 
Math9999 said:
They are but how do I figure out the normal vector?

They are not parallel.
 
So I thought that the normal vector should be 2 and -3 based on the general form on the problem but now I don't think that's true. So how do I figure out the normal vector?
 
Math9999 said:
a=2, b=-3, so [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[2, -3], am I right?
You can (and should) check this yourself. Clearly, the line from your equation goes through the point (2, -1). Do you see why? But does it have the right slope?
PeroK is saying that the line you calculated and the given line aren't parallel, which should suggest to you that your slope isn't right.

As a check on your work, find the equation of the line you're after, using the point-slope form of the equation of the line. That line should agree with the one you've calculated using a vector form.

Math9999 said:
So how do I figure out the normal vector?
Why do you need the normal vector?
 
So 2x-3y=1, 3y=2x-1, y=2/3x-1/3 and m=2/3, which is the slope?
 
Math9999 said:
So 2x-3y=1, 3y=2x-1, y=2/3x-1/3 and m=2/3, which is the slope?
Yes, that's the right slope. Now you should be able to get the equation in vector form.
 
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But how? I still don't get it. If the right slope is m=2/3, then how is the answer [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[3, 2]?
 
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Math9999 said:
But how? I still don't get it. If the right slope is m=2/3, then how is the answer [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[3, 2]?
What's the slope of the vector <3, 2>? Try drawing it in the plane.
 
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m=rise/run=2/3?
 
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Math9999 said:
m=rise/run=2/3?
Yes
From post #1
Math9999 said:
Find the vector form of the equation of the line in ℝ2 that passes through P=(2, -1) and is parallel to the line with general equation 2x-3y=1.
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Math9999 said:
If the right slope is m=2/3, then how is the answer [x, y]=[2, -1]+t[3, 2]?
Is there some value of t for which <x, y> = <2, -1>? IOW, does the line pass through (2, -1)?
Is the line represented by your vector equation parallel to the line whose equation is 2x - 3y = 1?
.
 
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