Equation of motion of a mass-spring system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for a mass-spring system without using the energy method. Participants explore the relationship between force, acceleration, and displacement in the context of this system.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the signs in the equation of motion, suggesting that both the spring force and acceleration should be negative when the mass is displaced.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial reasoning and clarifies that writing the equation as $$\ddot{x} = \frac{-k x}{m}$$ correctly reflects the relationship between acceleration and displacement, ensuring that acceleration is negative for positive displacement.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of the base formula $$F=ma$$ and suggests that the equation should be applied directly without modifications to the mass-acceleration product.
  • A later reply reiterates the previous points, affirming the clarity of the explanation provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between force, acceleration, and displacement, but there is some contention regarding the correct application of signs in the equation of motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the direction of forces and accelerations, nor does it clarify the implications of modifying the base formula.

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hi, all. I am trying to derive the equation of motion of a mass spring system without using the
energy method but I am wrong somewhere and I can't find it, can you help me find where I am
wrong. Equation of motion of a simple mass spring system is indeed mx''+kx=0 but here I am
thinking that when we pull the mass, motion arises from the spring force which is trying to bring back the mass and it is -kx due to our choice of negative direction but when the force is negative,
i.e -kx, the acceleration x'' must also be negative because they are in the same direction and sense. Here their sense both are negative. So equation should be -mx''=-kx(sum of forces equal mass product acceleration) and thus -mx''+kx=0 Can you explain me where I am wrong?
 
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mech-eng said:
i.e -kx, the acceleration x'' must also be negative because they are in the same direction and sense.
Exactly. Therefore, writing
$$
\ddot{x} = \frac{-k x}{m}
$$
ensures that the acceleration ##\ddot{x}## is negative when the displacement ##x## is positive. If you add a minus sign in front of ##m \ddot{x}##, you get a positive acceleration for a positive displacement.
 
I should also add that the base formula is ##F=ma##. Once you have figured out what ##F## is, the equation must be applied directly, without modifying the ##ma## part.
 
DrClaude said:
Exactly. Therefore, writing
$$
\ddot{x} = \frac{-k x}{m}
$$
ensures that the acceleration ##\ddot{x}## is negative when the displacement ##x## is positive. If you add a minus sign in front of ##m \ddot{x}##, you get a positive acceleration for a positive displacement.

It is very clear, thanks a lot.
 
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