Equation of motion of coupled springs

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The discussion revolves around a system of coupled springs with two masses, focusing on deriving the angular frequencies of the normal modes. The original poster attempts to formulate the equations of motion but encounters difficulties with terms related to gravitational force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the necessity of gravitational terms in the equations of motion and question whether these terms can be disregarded when analyzing the system's dynamics.

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Some participants have provided guidance regarding the treatment of gravitational terms, suggesting that they may not be needed for the analysis of oscillations around the equilibrium position. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the assumptions involved in the problem setup.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of removing gravitational terms from the equations, as well as the context of the problem being suitable for an advanced physics course.

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Homework Statement



A system is connected as follows, going vertically downwards: (ceiling)-(spring with constant k)-(mass 1)- spring with constant k)-(mass 2)
Let x be the displacement from the equilibrium position of mass 1, and let y be the displacement from the equilibrium position of mass 2. Take downwards displacement as positive.

I'm trying to show that the angular frequencies of the normal modes are ω^2=(3±5)k/2m, but I'm stuck.

m(d^2x/dt^2)=mg-kx
m(d^2y/dt^2)=mg-k(y-x)

When I try to put this into matrix form, I can't get rid of the mg terms.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Lucy Yeats said:

Homework Statement



A system is connected as follows, going vertically downwards: (ceiling)-(spring with constant k)-(mass 1)- spring with constant k)-(mass 2)
Let x be the displacement from the equilibrium position of mass 1, and let y be the displacement from the equilibrium position of mass 2. Take downwards displacement as positive.

I'm trying to show that the angular frequencies of the normal modes are ω^2=(3±5)k/2m, but I'm stuck.

m(d^2x/dt^2)=mg-kx
m(d^2y/dt^2)=mg-k(y-x)

When I try to put this into matrix form, I can't get rid of the mg terms.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

Note the bolded phrases. The mg terms shouldn't be there in the first place.

By the way, I've moved this thread to the advanced physics forum since it looks like a problem from an upper-division classical mechanics course or math methods course.
 
So I don't need the mg terms because they only affect the equilibrium position?
So if I cross out those terms will the equations be right?
 
Right. When x=0, mass 1 is at its equilibrium position, so the net force on it is equal to 0. The same holds for mass 2 and (y-x)=0.
 

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