Equation of tangent plane at (2, -1, ln 7): z = ln 7 + (4/7)(x-2) - (6/7)(y+1)

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of the tangent plane to the surface defined by the function z = ln(x² + 3y²) at the point (2, -1, ln 7). Participants are exploring the necessary calculations and concepts related to tangent planes and normal vectors.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of partial derivatives to find the normal vector and the tangent plane equation. There are questions about the correctness of evaluations and the use of the gradient in this context.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using the gradient to find the normal vector, while others are questioning the arithmetic involved in the evaluations. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the initial attempts.

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Participants are addressing potential errors in arithmetic and the implications of those errors on the tangent plane equation. The discussion includes a focus on the definitions and calculations related to gradients and tangent planes.

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Just when I thought I got the hang of tangent planes and surfaces there comes a question I haven't quite seen before

z = ln (x[tex]^{2}[/tex]+3y[tex]^{2}[/tex])

Find a normal vector n and the equation of the tangent plane to the surface at the point
(2, -1, ln 7)

So keeping the cartesian equation in mind:

z = z[tex]_{0}[/tex] + F[tex]_{x}[/tex](x,y)(x - x[tex]_{0}[/tex]) + F[tex]_{y}[/tex](x,y)(y - y[tex]_{0}[/tex])

Partial derivative with respect to x: [tex]\frac{2x}{x^{2} + 3y^{2}}[/tex]
Evaluate with the values and I get 4/11

Partial derivate with respect to y: [tex]\frac{6y}{x^{2} + 3y^{2}}[/tex]
Evaluate with the values and I get -6/11

Have I done this correctly?

So putting it all in the equation I get z = ln 7 + 4x/11 -6y/11 -14/11

I get the feeling I did something wrong somewhere, and of course the normal vector would be (4/11, -6/11, -1) if everything was right.
 
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just take the gradient of [itex]ln (x ^{2} +3y ^{2} ) - z[/itex] and evaluate it at the point
 
Do you mean dz/dx or dz/dy or something else?
 
JFonseka said:
Do you mean dz/dx or dz/dy or something else?

have you not learned about gradient? [itex]\nabla=<\frac{\partial f}{\partial x},\frac{\partial f}{\partial y},\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}>[/itex] = the defining vector of the tangent plane.
 
Well that's what I did earlier lol.

(4/11, -6/11, -1)

Thanks
 
Then do the arithmetic again. x2+ 3y2= 42+ 3(-1)2 is NOT 11!
 
It should be 2^2 + 3(-1)^2 which is 7...hehe, now where did that rogue 11 come from, lol.
 

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