Equations about this torsional spring and movements

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the forces acting on two masses, m1 and m2, connected by a torsional spring, using Newton's second law. Participants explore the dynamics of the system, particularly the relationship between the positions of the masses and the forces involved, while considering the effects of acceleration and friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to formulate equations relating the position of m2 (x2) and the force (F) acting on it, as well as the overall system dynamics.
  • Another participant questions the inclusion of the dθ/dt factor in the frictional term, suggesting that torsional friction may be constant if motion is unidirectional.
  • A concern is raised about the acceleration of m2 and its potential impact on m1's acceleration, proposing that the equation should account for the relative accelerations of both masses.
  • One participant reiterates the bidirectional movement of m2 and expresses uncertainty about how to represent this in equations.
  • Another participant notes that the only external force parallel to F is F itself and prompts consideration of the implications for the acceleration of the system's center of mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of friction and the relationship between the accelerations of m1 and m2. There is no consensus on how to formulate the equations governing the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the nature of torsional friction and the effects of acceleration on the system. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to the equations of motion.

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Here I want to analyse the force imposed on m1 and m2 while using the second Newton law.
The top view of the system shows like below, thus gravity force is not considered, m2 can only move along the vertical line, and one torsion spring link m1 and m2. The length between m1 and spring is L, length between m2 and spring is negligible. The I have written the equation related to spring. where x1 and x2 is the position of m1 and m2 respectively. F is the force on m2.

My question is how should I write a equation related to x2 and force F. And equation about the whole system. Thank you.

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Two questions...
Why the dθ/dt factor in the frictional term? Isn't torsional friction just a constant, so long as the motion is in one direction?
If m2 is accelerating, shouldn't that contribute to m1's acceleration? I.e., shouldn't the right hand side be ##m_1(\ddot x_1-\ddot x_2)L##?
 
Thank you for your reply. The m2 can move upwards and downwards, in two direction. The second question is what I concerned. I don't know how to write the equation to represent this.
 
Raymond1227 said:
Thank you for your reply. The m2 can move upwards and downwards, in two direction. The second question is what I concerned. I don't know how to write the equation to represent this.
For the system consisting of the two masses and everything in between, the only external force parallel to F is F itself. What does that tell you about acceleration of the mass centre of the system?
 

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