How to find max deflection of spring between 2 masses ?

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum displacement of a spring connecting two masses (M1 and M2) when a force (F) is applied to one of the masses (M2) on a frictionless surface. The participants explore the dynamics of the system, including the motion of the center of mass and the individual accelerations of the masses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the acceleration of the center of mass (COM) is given by a = F/(M1 + M2) and discusses the differing accelerations of the masses due to the spring.
  • Another participant suggests separating the system's COM movement from the individual movements of the masses, introducing the concept of effective forces acting on each mass.
  • A third participant questions the assumption that the accelerations of the two masses (a1 and a2) are equal, citing the dependence on their respective displacements and forces.
  • A later reply clarifies that the previous statement did not assert a1 = a2, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the accelerations of the two masses and the implications of the system's dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the accelerations can be considered equal or different.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between the accelerations of the masses and the forces acting on them. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the mathematical steps needed to derive the maximum displacement of the spring.

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Hi
I came across a problem as below :
2 masses M1 and M2 are connected by a spring and kept on a frictionless table horizontally. A force F is applied to M2. What is the maximum displacement of the spring ?

The acc of the COM of the system is a = F/(m1 + m2).
However, each mass will move with different acceleration because of the spring between them. If x1 and x2 are the displacements at M1 and M2, the force exerted by the spring on each mass will be k(x1-x2).
FBD of M1 gives
k(x1-x2) = M1 a1
FBD of M2 gives
F-k(x1-x2) = M2 a2

I'm not clear how to proceed from here. The ans is
2M1 * F / (M1 + M2)

Cany anypone explain ?

TIA
 
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I would split the system in the center of mass movement and the movement of the individual objects. The whole system accelerates with a=F/(m1+m2). In this system, an effective force of F-a*m1 accelerates m1 inwards and a*m2 accelerates m2 inwards. As a(m1+m2)=F, both have the same magnitude - this is just a cross-check.

Let x be the distance relative to the springs at rest (x=0), with positive x as larger distance. The spring potential is now V(x)=1/2*k*x^2 and the external force adds a potential of -2*a*m2*x. The system will oscillate in this parabola, with 0 potential as endpoints. One is x=0, can you find the other one?
 
Thanks for the reply. But why should a1 be equal to a2 ? The acceleration of COM is a = F/(m1 + m2)
Hence a = (m1a1 + m2a2) / (m1+m2).
Since x1, m1 and F1 are not equal to x2, m2 and F2, how can we conclude that a1 = a2 ?

TIA
 
Where did I say a1=a2?
 

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