Equations of Sides of Square Inscribed in Circle

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The discussion revolves around finding the equations of the sides of a square inscribed in the circle defined by the equation $3(x^2+y^2)=4$, specifically when one side of the square is parallel to the line $x-y=7$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and geometric considerations related to the properties of circles and squares.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the radius of the circle as $\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}$ and notes that since one side of the square is parallel to $x-y=7$, the other sides must be perpendicular, leading to a specific geometric configuration.
  • Another participant proposes that one side of the square can be represented by the equation $y=x+k$, where $k$ is a variable that will help determine the positions of the sides of the square.
  • A mathematical relationship is established by calculating the half-length of the square's side based on the perpendicular distance from the origin to the line $x+k=y$, leading to the conclusion that the length of each side is $l=\sqrt{2}|k|$.
  • From the relationship between the diagonal of the square and its side length, two values for $k$ are derived, resulting in the equations of two sides of the square: $y=x+\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}$ and $y=x-\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}$.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of visualizing the problem with a diagram, noting the gradients of the lines corresponding to the sides of the square and the circle's center and radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the geometric properties of the square and circle, but there are multiple approaches and perspectives on deriving the equations of the sides, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved in terms of a singular method or conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationships between the square's sides and the circle's properties are made, but these are not fully explored or resolved within the discussion. The dependence on the specific definitions of the geometric elements is also noted.

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Find the equations of the sides of square inscribed in the circle $3(x^2+y^2)=4$, one of whose sides is parallel to the line $x-y=7$.
 
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The circle has radius $\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}$. Since one of the sides is parallel to $x-y=7$, another side is parallel as well and the two left are perpendicular. This gives you a clue about all four equations you need to find. :)
 
Let one of the side be $y=x+k$ (Note that the line $y=x+k$ is always parallel to $y=x-7$) . The half of the length of the side of square will be equal to the perpendicular distance from the origin to the line $x+k=y$.

\[\frac{l}{2}= \Bigg| \frac{0-0+k}{\sqrt{2}}\Bigg|=\frac{|k|}{\sqrt{2}}\]

The length of each side is $l=\sqrt{2}|k|$ and the diameter of the circle is $\frac{4}{\sqrt{3}}$. Also, the diagonal of a square is $\sqrt{2}$ times its length of side. Therefore

\[\sqrt{2} \times \sqrt{2}|k|=\frac{4}{\sqrt{3}}\]

From here we get two values of $k$ i.e $2/\sqrt{3},-2/\sqrt{3}$. So two sides are $y=x+\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}},y=x-\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}$.
 
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With problems like this, it's always good to draw a diagram (click on the diagram to embiggen it).

[graph]psuayl2bwh[/graph]

The line $x-y=7$ has gradient 1, so the sides of the square will have gradient 1 and $-1.$ The circle is centred at the origin and has radius $2/\sqrt3$, so the vertices of the square will be at the points $(\pm2/\sqrt3,0)$ and $(0,\pm2/\sqrt3).$ You want the equations of the lines with gradient $\pm1$ going through those points, and with that information you can write down the answers.
 
Opalg said:
(click on the diagram to embiggen it).

Great word!
 
Ackbach said:
Great word!
It comes from The Simpsons. (f)
 
Opalg said:
With problems like this, it's always good to draw a diagram (click on the diagram to embiggen it).

[graph]psuayl2bwh[/graph]

The line $x-y=7$ has gradient 1, so the sides of the square will have gradient 1 and $-1.$ The circle is centred at the origin and has radius $2/\sqrt3$, so the vertices of the square will be at the points $(\pm2/\sqrt3,0)$ and $(0,\pm2/\sqrt3).$ You want the equations of the lines with gradient $\pm1$ going through those points, and with that information you can write down the answers.

Thank You! This was extremely helpful.
 

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