Equilibrium temperature of a water and ice system

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on calculating the equilibrium temperature of a system containing equal masses of ice at –10ºC and water at 80ºC. The initial calculation yielded an equilibrium temperature of -2.4°C, which contradicts the principles of thermodynamics since it is below the melting point of ice. Participants emphasized the need to consider the melting of some ice before reaching equilibrium, suggesting a structured approach to solving the problem in stages: first addressing temperature changes, then phase changes, and finally any subsequent temperature changes.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamics principles, specifically heat transfer and phase changes.
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacities: Water (ice) at 37.65 J/mol.K and liquid water at 75.29 J/mol.K.
  • Knowledge of latent heat of fusion (Lf) at 6011 J/mol.
  • Ability to set up and solve equations involving heat transfer.
NEXT STEPS
  • Learn about the concept of thermal equilibrium in closed systems.
  • Study the calculations involved in phase changes, particularly melting and freezing.
  • Explore the use of heat transfer equations in thermodynamic problems.
  • Investigate the implications of specific heat capacities on temperature changes in mixed systems.
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This discussion is beneficial for students and educators in physics or chemistry, particularly those focusing on thermodynamics, as well as anyone involved in solving heat transfer problems in mixed-phase systems.

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Homework Statement
Equal masses of ice at –10ºC and water at 80ºC are placed in an insulated container and allowed to reach thermal equilibrium. Calculate the equilibrium temperature
Relevant Equations
m.Lf
m.C.dT
Equal masses of ice at –10ºC and water at 80ºC are placed in an insulated container and allowed to reach thermal equilibrium. Calculate the equilibrium temperature
Data:
Water(ice): 37,65 J/mol.K Agua (l): 75,29 J/mol.K

## Lf = 6011 J/mol ##

I solved it this way:

## -Q_{l} = Q_{ice} ##

## m.(75,29).(80 - T) = m. (37,65).(0 +10) + m.(6011) + m.(75,29).(T - 0) ##

simplifying ##m## since they are equal masses, and solving for ##T##:

## T = - 2,4 °C ##

My teacher's response was:
"The result contradicts the procedure since it calculates the heat absorbed by the ice to become superheated liquid but the obtained temperature is below the melting point"

I don't realize what I have done wrong.
Can you give me help?
Thank you!
 
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Have you considered the possibility that some of the ice will melt (but not all), and that the final temperature of the ice and water will be 0 C?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Have you considered the possibility that some of the ice will melt (but not all), and that the final temperature of the ice and water will be 0 C?

Yes, I have considered it.
But does that mean the result is wrong?
 
il postino said:
Yes, I have considered it.
What was your assessment when you considered this?
But does that mean the result is wrong?
Well, if the final temperature is 0 C, then yes, the result is wrong. There is only one final state.
 
il postino said:
Yes, I have considered it.
But does that mean the result is wrong?
It doesn't seem like you considered it. Your equations assume that the ice fully melted (which cannot be true if you think the final temperature is below zero).

It may be helpful to break the problem up into stages. First consider the temperature changes until one phase reaches the melting point, and then consider the phase change, then any temperature change occurring after the phase change (if necessary).
 
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