Equivalence Classes: Unique Unit Circle Rep.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves demonstrating that a relation defined on pairs of real numbers is an equivalence relation and identifying unique representatives on the unit circle. The subject area includes concepts from linear algebra and geometry, particularly focusing on equivalence classes and properties of scalar multiplication.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the properties of reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity in the context of the defined relation. Questions arise about the nature of the operation involved and how to demonstrate equivalence without a clear operation. There is exploration of how to express points in terms of a scalar multiple and the implications for the unit circle representation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the reflexive and symmetric properties, while others express uncertainty about the transitive property. There is an ongoing exploration of how to establish the unique representative on the unit circle, with some participants indicating they are on the right track.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the use of ordered pairs versus single numbers in the context of the equivalence relation. Additionally, some participants question whether calculus or integrals are necessary for the problem, which has been clarified as unnecessary.

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Homework Statement


Let S := (\Re x \Re \ {(0,0)}. For (x,y), (x',y') \in S, let us say (x,y) ~ (x',y') if there exists a real number \lambda > 0 such that (x,y) = (\lambdax',\lambday'). Show that ~ is an equivalence relation; moreover, show that each equivalence class contains a unique representative that lies on the unit circle (i.e., the set of points (x,y) such that x2 + y2 = 1).

Homework Equations


I know in order to show that something is an equivalence relation if the following 3 properties hold

reflexive: a ~ a for all a \in S
symmetric: a ~ b implies b ~ a for all a,b \in S
transitive: a ~ b and b ~ c implies a ~ c for all a, b, c \in S

and for an equivalence relation ~ the equivalence class as the set {x \in : x ~ a}

The Attempt at a Solution


What I don't get is, if there is no operation defined how do we show equivalence? Or is the operation scalar multiplication?

Im not sure where to go from here, especially showing that the solution to the unit circle is in the equivalent class.
 
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This is easy, so I think you are just confused by the fact that the members of your space are ordered pairs instead of numbers. So instead of showing that a ~ a, say, you have to show that for arbitrary (x,y), we have (x,y) ~ (x,y).

Hint: can you think of a \lambda such that (x, y) = (\lambda x, \lambda y)?

(I told you it was easy.)
 
well for the reflexive property if \lambda = 1 which is > 0, then (x, y) = (1\cdotx, 1\cdoty) so that holds.

But now for symmetric:
If (x, y) = (\lambdax', \lambday') then (\lambdax', \lambday') = (x,y), so (x,y) ~ (\lambdax', \lambday') implies (\lambdax', \lambday') ~ (x, y) but is this "showing it"?
 
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and for the part: "moreover, show that each equivalence class contains a unique representative that lies on the unit circle (i.e., the set of points (x,y) such that x2 + y2 = 1)."

Could we say:

For any (x,y) in R x R there exist a \lambda s.t x2 + y2 = \lambda2, or (x/\lambda)2 +(y/\lambda)2 = 1.
If x' = x/\lambda and y' = y/\lambda then (x,y) = (\lambdax', \lambday')

So for any equivalence class [(x,y)] there is a unique representative (x',y') s.t. x'2 + y'2 = 1
 
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anyone else? awkward? anybody?
 
hitmeoff said:
well for the reflexive property if \lambda = 1 which is > 0, then (x, y) = (1\cdotx, 1\cdoty) so that holds.

But now for symmetric:
If (x, y) = (\lambdax', \lambday') then (\lambdax', \lambday') = (x,y), so (x,y) ~ (\lambdax', \lambday') implies (\lambdax', \lambday') ~ (x, y) but is this "showing it"?

Not quite. If
x' = \lambda x,
then what is x in terms of x'?

For the part about the representative on the circle, you are OK.
 
I have the same problem. How would do you symmetric and transitive? Do you suppose to use integral?
 
tinynerdi said:
I have the same problem. How would do you symmetric and transitive? Do you suppose to use integral?
There is no reason to use calculus at all!

Here, we say that (x, y) is equivalent to (u, v) if and only if (x, y)= \lambda(u, v) for some non-zero number \lambda.
If x= \lambda u and y= \lambda v, then u= (1/\lambda)x and v= (1/\lambda) y. Since \lambda> 0, 1/\lambda> 0.

Similarly, if (x, y) is equivalent to (u, v) and (u, v) is equivalent to (a, b), then x= \lambda_1u and y= \lambda_1v for some \lambda_1> 0 and u= \lambda_2a and v= \lambda_2b for some \lambda_2> 0.

It should be obvious then that x= \lambda_1(\lambda_2a)= (\lambda_1\lambda_2)a and y= \lambda_1(\lambda_2 b)= (\lambda_1\lambda_2)b so that x= \lambda a and y= \lambda b with \lambda= \lambda_1\lambda_2> 0.
 

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