Equivalent circuit for non linear capasitor

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The discussion revolves around the equivalent circuit for a non-ideal capacitor, specifically focusing on a parallel plate capacitor filled with a conductive and permittive material. Participants are exploring the inductance, resistance, and capacitance of this system.

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  • Participants are questioning the nature of non-linearity in the capacitor, considering factors such as hysteresis and the relationship between capacitance and voltage or current. There are discussions about the basic elements of circuits and the implications of replacing ideal components with non-ideal ones.

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Some participants have provided insights into the characteristics of non-ideal capacitors, including the concept of effective series resistance and the potential for memory effects. However, the discussion remains open with various interpretations and no clear consensus on the specifics of the equivalent circuit.

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what is the equivalent circuit for a non ideal capasitor?
and if we have a parallel plate capasitor which consist of 2 metal plate of area A and held a distance apart d,we fill the region between the plate with a material with conductivity s and permitivity e.what is the inductance,resistance and capasitance of this system?

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EHT said:
what is the equivalent circuit for a non ideal capasitor?

and if we have a parallel plate capasitor which consist of 2 metal plate of area A and held a distance apart d,we fill the region between the plate with a material with conductivity s and permitivity e.what is the inductance,resistance and capasitance of this system?

Hi EHT! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help. :smile:
 
A partial list of the so-called elementry circuit elements, that I recall, are: voltage source, current source, R, L, C, and gyristor. --don't know much about this topic. The voltage source can be scratched if we can replace it with an infinite capacitor with initial charge. Same argument goes for the current source, replaced with an L-->infinity inductor and finite initial current.

The question, as you stated it is very broad. Can there be hysteresis? Can C be a function of time? Is C a monotonic function of V or I?

The most general condition I can think of off hand (ignoring probabliliy functions) is that C is a relation on t, V and I.
 
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Your description suggests a device that is linear. In what way is it non-linear?
 
marcusl said:
Your description suggests a device that is linear. In what way is it non-linear?

Yeah, I missed that, marcus.

The first approximation of a capacitor is an ideal capacitor with a series resistor. This is quoted in the data sheets are ESR, effective series resistance. The leakage current, considered as a function of voltage, models as a resistor in parallel with the ideal capacitor. At high enough frequencies the lead lengths can be inductive and modeled with the addition of a series inductor.

Memory effects are nonlinear.
 

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