Error in Griffiths QM: completeness of stationary states

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The discussion centers on the completeness of stationary state solutions to the Schrödinger equation for a particle in an infinite potential well, as presented in Griffiths' quantum mechanics textbook. Participants explore the implications of completeness in relation to Fourier series and the types of functions that can be represented by sine functions alone.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants agree that the stationary solutions are orthogonal, noting that sin(nx) and sin(mx) are orthogonal for n≠m.
  • Others argue that the stationary states are not complete, as they cannot represent all functions, specifically mentioning that functions like cos(x) cannot be expressed using only sine functions.
  • A participant points out that Griffiths' claim of completeness may be too broad and does not account for the specific boundary conditions of the infinite potential well.
  • One participant references Dirichlet's theorem and suggests that completeness should be understood in the context of the functions' properties and the specified space.
  • Another participant explains that sine functions form a complete basis for odd functions, while cosine functions form a basis for even functions, indicating that both types are necessary for completeness in a broader sense.
  • There is a suggestion that the completeness of the sine functions is valid under the assumption of periodicity and specific boundary conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the completeness of the stationary states. While there is agreement on their orthogonality, the discussion reveals multiple competing views on what constitutes completeness and under what conditions it holds.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the dependence on boundary conditions and the specific definitions of completeness in the context of Fourier series. The implications of periodicity and the nature of the functions being represented are also noted as relevant factors.

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According to Griffiths QM book, after he derived the stationary state solutions to the Schrödinger equation for a particle in an infinite potential well, which are just functions of sine, he claims that these stationary solutions are orthogonal and complete.

I agree that they are orthogonal (since sin(nx) and sin(mx) are orthogonal for n!=m), but I definitely disagree that they are complete (meaning that ANY function f(x), odd or even, can be written in terms of these stationary states). For example, you definatelly cannot write f(x)=cos(x) using only a basis of sine functions.

Is there something I am missing here?



Thanks!
 
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Aziza said:
According to Griffiths QM book, after he derived the stationary state solutions to the Schrödinger equation for a particle in an infinite potential well, which are just functions of sine,

Therefore the well has its left side at x = 0, correct?

I definitely disagree that they are complete (meaning that ANY function f(x), odd or even, can be written in terms of these stationary states). For example, you definatelly cannot write f(x)=cos(x) using only a basis of sine functions.

If the left side of the well is at x = 0, can cos(kx) be a valid solution?
 
jtbell said:
Therefore the well has its left side at x = 0, correct?



If the left side of the well is at x = 0, can cos(kx) be a valid solution?

nope! cos cannot be a solution. I realized that maybe I am being too picky, but Griffiths' exact words are "The functions ψ_n (x) [where ψ_n (x) are the solutions to the infinite potential well] have some interesting properties...4. They are complete, in the sense that any other function f(x) can be expressed as a linear combination of them"

He goes on to say that this is Dirichlet's theorem.

By "any other function", I took it to literally mean any other function, not any other function that could possibly represent the wavefunction of a particle in infinite potential well.
Having studied Fourier analysis in detail, this is definitely not how I have seen the word "complete" and Dirichlet's theorem defined...
 
Well Griffiths is being a little loose and he admits it when he comes to his discussion of the completeness of stationary states.

He is solving the infinite square well in the region (0, a). If you look at a good reference on Fourier series (For an intro QM level, I would recommend Mary Boas' "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences", chapter 7 in the 3rd edition), you'll see that for functions which are periodic on an interval (0,a), the functions sin(nπx/a) form a basis for functions which are odd on that interval, while the functions cos(nπx/a) form a basis for even functions on that interval, and putting them together you can see that the functions e(inπx/a) form a complete basis for arbitrary functions (remembering all these functions must have period a).

The reason he forgets about the cos(nπx/a) terms is because the boundary condition ψ(x=0)=0 ensures that the solutions to the Schrödinger equation must be odd. Don't worry that the wavefunction doesn't really "continue" outside the well--just imagine that the solution repeats itself with period a, while respecting the boundary condition. [This is allowed because the potential is infinite outside the well.] So the sine functions he mentions form a complete basis for solutions to the Schrödinger equation since they must be odd with period a.

As a general recipe, you can represent pretty much any function in terms of sinusoidal functions with arbitrary period
f(x) = ∫ c(k) e(ikx) dk = ∫a(k) cos(kx) + b(k) sin(kx) dk

But if we limit to functions with period a, then we don't need any of the contributions from k≠nπ/a
thus if f(x)=f(x+a) for all x
then f(x) = Ʃn an cos(nπx/a) + bnsin(nπx/a)

For odd functions, you get no cos contributions, while for even functions, you get no sin contributions.

Edit: The font that PF appears in on my computer makes the n's look very similar to the π's. Sorry for that.
 
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Aziza said:
"The functions ψ_n (x) [where ψ_n (x) are the solutions to the infinite potential well] have some interesting properties...4. They are complete, in the sense that any other function f(x) can be expressed as a linear combination of them"
For a well-defined statement one has to specify the space (including boundary conditions) on which the Hamiltonian is self-adjoint and for which completeness shall hold
 
Aziza said:
According to Griffiths QM book, after he derived the stationary state solutions to the Schrödinger equation for a particle in an infinite potential well, which are just functions of sine, he claims that these stationary solutions are orthogonal and complete.

I agree that they are orthogonal (since sin(nx) and sin(mx) are orthogonal for n!=m), but I definitely disagree that they are complete (meaning that ANY function f(x), odd or even, can be written in terms of these stationary states). For example, you definatelly cannot write f(x)=cos(x) using only a basis of sine functions.

Is there something I am missing here?
Inside the potential well, you can make a Fourier series out of sin(nx) functions, equal to cos(x) EVERYWHERE in the well except at the boundary.
 

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