Error Propagation: Explaining AB Calculation

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Error propagation in the context of multiplying two measurements, A and B, is clarified through the calculation of their combined uncertainty. For A = 100 ± 1% and B = 10 ± 1%, the product AB results in a value of 1000 with an associated error derived from the sum of their relative errors, leading to a total uncertainty of approximately 2%. The correct approach involves using the differential method, where the error in the product is calculated as d(AB)/AB = dA/A + dB/B. A more accurate formula for error propagation is also provided, which involves partial derivatives and can be applied to more complex functions. Understanding these principles helps in accurately determining the uncertainty in measurements involving multiplication.
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Recently I came across an example for working out error propagation, and I'm having trouble following the steps:

A = 100 \pm 1%
B = 10 \pm 1%

AB = (100 \pm 1%).(10 \pm 1%)

=\left\{1000 \pm \left[\left(100.1\%\right) \pm \left(10.1\%\right)\right]\right\} // get confused here, how does this happen?

= 1000 \pm 1.1
= 998.9 - 1001.1
Can somebody please explain to me how the section I marked above appears.

Thank you.
 
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It doesn't happen- what you have is wrong. If A= 100\pm 1\%, so that A lies between 99 and 101, and B= 10\pm 1\%, so that B lies between 9.9 and 10.1, then AB lies between 99*9.9= 980.1 101*10.1= 1020.1. We could write those as 1000\pm (20\mp .1). 100*10= 1000 is not the midpoint of that interval: it is 1000+ 20+.1 and 1000- 20+ .1

We can think of it this way: the differential of AB is d(AB)= A(dB)+ B(dA). Dividing both sides by AB, dAB/(AB)= dA/A+ dB/B. In this problem dA/A= dB/B= .01 so approximately, dAB/AB= 2(.01)= 2%.

This is an example of an old mechanic's "rule of thumb": when two measurements add, the error of their sum is the sum of their errors; when two measurements multiply, the error of their product is the sum of their relative (or percentage) errors.
 
I see.

Thank you very much HallsofIvy. This was bugging me for a long time.
 
There is a general formula to calculate error propagation, which is statistically more accurate:

If you want to calculate the error of a function y=f(x_{1},x_{2},x_{3},...)
With x_{i} being measurements with given errors \delta x_{i}
Then the error of y is given by:

\delta y=\sqrt{\sum_{i=1}^{N}\left| \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_{i}}\delta x_{i}\right|^{2}}


F.e. here y=f(A,B)=AB

f_{A}(A,B)=B; f_{B}(A,B)=A

so \delta (AB)=\sqrt{B^{2}\delta A^{2}+A^{2}\delta B^{2}}
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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