Escape of Hydrogen from the Earth's Atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the escape of hydrogen from the Earth's atmosphere, exploring the implications for water loss from the Earth's crust and the potential impact on hydrogen as an energy vector. Participants raise questions about the mechanisms of hydrogen escape, the role of the Moon's gravity, and the influence of solar wind on hydrogen levels in the atmosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why hydrogen has not been depleted from the Earth's atmosphere despite its production by anaerobic bacteria and the long history of life on Earth.
  • Another participant suggests that the escape velocity of hydrogen is similar to that of Earth, but questions whether the Moon's gravity could retain hydrogen in the space between the Earth and the Moon.
  • Concerns are expressed about the potential loss of hydrogen and water from the Earth's crust due to the use of hydrogen as fuel.
  • Some participants express doubts about whether hydrogen is currently escaping from the Earth's atmosphere.
  • Questions are raised about the amount of hydrogen arriving from the Sun via solar wind and its interaction with Earth's magnetic field.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between alpha particles and protons, with discussions on their behavior in relation to the Earth's atmosphere.
  • A participant speculates that protons entering the atmosphere could potentially form hydrogen atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the current escape of hydrogen from the atmosphere and the implications of this for water loss. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanisms of hydrogen escape and the role of external factors such as solar wind and lunar gravity.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about atmospheric dynamics and the behavior of particles in space, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. The complexity of hydrogen's balance in the atmosphere is acknowledged but not definitively addressed.

MartinG
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Hi ! I ask you two questions:

1- If hydrogen escapes from the Earth's atmosphere as it happens, because if there are anaerobic bacteria that produce hydrogen naturally among some other living beings, because among the thousands and millions of years that life has been on earth, hydrogen was not finished and the existing water in the Earth's crust?

2- The escape velocity of hydrogen is similar to the escape velocity of the Earth but apparently there are certain thermal and non-thermal escape mechanisms that would facilitate the escape of hydrogen from the atmosphere when it is in the upper areas of the Earth's atmosphere, but I wonder, if the force of gravity of the Moon would not help to retain the Hydrogen in the region of space between the Earth and the Moon, so that the Hydrogen does not really escape from the Earth and remains in the space between the Moon and the Earth, and later eventually return to Earth. Can this happen?

I will thank you for your answers because I think this is an interesting topic in the present considering the possible use of hydrogen as an energy vector and its production from the electrolysis and dissociation of water and that if there are losses of hydrogen in handling and in the use of the same would have losses of water from the Earth's crust that would be the most complicated of the use of hydrogen as an energy vector and its sustainable use over time.

I thank you for your responses and send you greetings.
 
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Your question doesn't make sense to me. If hydrogen leaks from the power generating apparatus, it is lost for energy production whether or not it stays in the atmosphere or goes off into space. Perhaps you can explain better the reason for your question about space.
 
My main interest is the loss of hydrogen and consequently of water from the Earth's crust that may occur in the future with the use of hydrogen as fuel in some applications.

Also, my question is whether or not hydrogen is currently escaping from the Earth's atmosphere really.
 
MartinG said:
My main interest is the loss of hydrogen and consequently of water from the Earth's crust that may occur in the future with the use of hydrogen as fuel in some applications.

Also, my question is whether or not hydrogen is currently escaping from the Earth's atmosphere really.
Perhaps not surprisingly there is a Wikipedia page on loss of the Earth's atmosphere. And lots more online material as well.
 
Hi Perok !

Yes, I have looked for information on the internet and in Wikipedia on this topic and in general they talk about of that Hydrogen escapes from the Earth's atmosphere, but I have doubts about whether the atmospheric escape of Hydrogen actually occurs, so I asked it here too.
 
How much hydrogen arrives from the Sun in the solar wind ?
 
Baluncore said:
How much hydrogen arrives from the Sun in the solar wind ?
I don't know about this. But thank you for your response.
 
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Baluncore said:
How much hydrogen arrives from the Sun in the solar wind ?
Alpha particles ( Hydrogen nucleii) should be deflected by Earth's magnetic field.
 
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Seanskahn said:
Alpha particles ( Hydrogen nucleii)
You mean helium, He, surely.
 
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Baluncore said:
"Analysis Of Stratospheric Air Resolves Enigma Of Hydrogen Balance In Earth's Atmosphere." University Of California - Berkeley. ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 2 September 2003.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/09/030902074301.htm
According to this analysis, although there would be greater amounts of agents that absorb hydrogen from the atmosphere and transform it back into water.
The escape of hydrogen from the Earth's atmosphere would also occur, right?
 
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Seanskahn said:
Alpha particles ( Hydrogen nucleii) should be deflected by Earth's magnetic field.
The majority may be deflected but there is a directional window for some that reach and react with the atmosphere.
Alpa particles = energetic Helium nucleii.
Protons = energetic Hydrogen nucleii.
 
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Bystander said:
You mean helium, He, surely.
Damnation.
Ya. I do.
I mean protons should also be blocked. Lol
 
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Bystander said:
You mean helium, He, surely.
Damnation.
Ya. I do.
I mean protons should also be blocked. Lol
 
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Baluncore said:
The majority may be deflected but there is a directional window for some that reach and react with the atmosphere.
Alpa particles = energetic Helium nucleii.
Protons = energetic Hydrogen nucleii.
Ok. Thank you for pointing that out.
Could you elaborate the direction tho, please.
And yes I made a mistake on alpha particles.

Thank you tho
 
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Maybe too the entry of Protons into the atmosphere in the form of rays or cosmic rain, perhaps later it can form Hydrogen atoms in the Earth's atmosphere. Does it seem correct?
 

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