Evaluating Limit: (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x = e

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (1 + 1/x)^x as x approaches infinity, which is known to equal e. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind this limit and the application of L'Hôpital's Rule.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the expression using logarithms and L'Hôpital's Rule, questioning the validity of their steps and the forms they encounter. Some express confusion over the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and the resulting forms, while others suggest alternative approaches.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the correct application of logarithmic properties and L'Hôpital's Rule. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the limit evaluation, and various interpretations of the steps are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings of logarithmic differentiation and the limits involved, with some expressing uncertainty about the forms they are encountering and the implications of their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate.


Homework Equations


[itex]lim_{x->infinity} (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x = e[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



lne = x(1+[itex]\frac{1}{x})[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1+\frac{1}{x}}{1/x}[/itex] = 1/0 = ∞ (is this correct?
 
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whatlifeforme said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate.


Homework Equations


[itex]lim_{x->infinity} (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x = e[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



lne = x(1+[itex]\frac{1}{x})[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1+\frac{1}{x}}{1/x}[/itex] = 1/0 = ∞ (is this correct?
No, and you're going about it the wrong way, it seems to me. You're supposed to evaluate the given limit, and show that it is e.

One way to go is to let y = ##\lim_{x->\infty} (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x ##, then take ln of both sides. If you work with it a bit, you can get something that you can use L'Hopital's Rule on.

BTW, in LaTeX, ∞ is \infty, and limit is \lim.
 
whatlifeforme said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate.
Evaluate what?

Homework Equations


[itex]lim_{x->infinity} (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x = e[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



lne = x(1+[itex]\frac{1}{x})[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1+\frac{1}{x}}{1/x}[/itex] = 1/0 = ∞ (is this correct?
No, these are both nonsense. Surely you don't mean to claim that these equations hold for all ##x##?
 
Mark44 said:
No, and you're going about it the wrong way, it seems to me. You're supposed to evaluate the given limit, and show that it is e.

One way to go is to let y = ##\lim_{x->\infty} (1 + \frac{1}{x})^x ##, then take ln of both sides. If you work with it a bit, you can get something that you can use L'Hopital's Rule on.

BTW, in LaTeX, ∞ is \infty, and limit is \lim.

if i take ln i get x(1+1/x) -->> make form for L'Hopital's rule: [itex]\frac{1+(1/x)}{1/x}[/itex]

which is 1/0 --> applying l'hopital's again just makes it more complicated but no closer to the answer needed.
 
if i apply L'H again i get : (-1/x^2)/(-1/x^2) which would = 1 but the limit of that would be zero correct?

if the limit = 1 then the that makes the answer e.
 
whatlifeforme said:
if i take ln i get x(1+1/x)
You're leaving something out.
If y = (1 + 1/x)x,
then ln(y) = ln[(1 + 1/x)x]
Now work with the right side. ln should not go away.
whatlifeforme said:
-->> make form for L'Hopital's rule: [itex]\frac{1+(1/x)}{1/x}[/itex]

which is 1/0 --> applying l'hopital's again just makes it more complicated but no closer to the answer needed.
 
whatlifeforme said:
if i take ln i get x(1+1/x)
NO, you don't. You get x ln(1+ 1/x)

-->> make form for L'Hopital's rule: [itex]\frac{1+(1/x)}{1/x}[/itex]

which is 1/0 --> applying l'hopital's again just makes it more complicated but no closer to the answer needed.
 
HallsofIvy said:
NO, you don't. You get x ln(1+ 1/x)

sorry. well even if that is the case:

lim (X->∞) [itex]\frac{ln(1+(1/x)}{1/x}[/itex] = 0/0


then

l'hospital's -->> [itex]\displaystyle \frac{\frac{1}{1+(1/x)}}{\frac{-1}{x^2}}[/itex] = 1/0

1/0 still keeps popping up; do i conclude that the limit of lny = ∞

1/0 is not an indeterminate form in which l'hopital's can be applied, correct?

furthermore, if we conclude that 1/0 = ∞

then we have:

lim (x->∞) lny = ∞
lim (x->∞) [itex]e^{lny}[/itex] = [itex]e^∞[/itex]

but I'm looking for [itex]e^1[/itex] not [itex]e^∞[/itex]
 
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i found some help on another website:

lim_(x->oo)(1 + 1/x)^x = lim_(x->0)(1 + x)^(1/x)`

Let `y = (1 + x)^(1/x)`

how does lim_(x->oo)(1 + 1/x)^x = lim_(x->0)(1 + x)^(1/x)`
 
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whatlifeforme said:
sorry. well even if that is the case:

lim (X->∞) [itex]\frac{ln(1+(1/x)}{1/x}[/itex] = 0/0then

l'hospital's -->> [itex]\displaystyle \frac{\frac{1}{1+(1/x)}}{\frac{-1}{x^2}}[/itex] = 1/0

What does the chain rule say when differentiating a function f(g(x))? Think about that and then try to re-do the step where you apply L'Hopital's rule.
 

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