Evaluating the Riemann Zeta Function: Step-by-Step Guide for \zeta(c + xi)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the Riemann zeta function \(\zeta(c + xi)\) for \(0 \leq c < 1\). Participants explore various methods of evaluation, including definitions and analytic continuations, while addressing the complexities involved in the function's behavior across different regions of the complex plane.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the definition \(\zeta(s) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^s}\) for evaluating \(\zeta(c + xi)\) when \(x\) is nonzero.
  • There is a question about the applicability of the zeta function definition, particularly whether it only holds for \(\text{Re}(s) > 1\).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the variable \(s\), questioning how it relates to the pole at \(s = 1\) and the non-trivial zeros of the zeta function.
  • One participant mentions the use of the Dirichlet eta function for evaluating \(\zeta(s)\) when \(0 < \text{Re}(s) < 1\).
  • Another participant points out that the summation defining the zeta function converges for \(0 < \text{Re}(s) < 1\) but does not do so nicely due to oscillations.
  • There is a discussion about the analytic continuation of the zeta function to evaluate it at negative even integers.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the Dirichlet eta function and the zeta function, including the formula \(\frac{\eta(s)}{1-2^{1-s}}=\zeta(s)\).
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of analytic continuation and how it applies to different regions of the complex plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to evaluate \(\zeta(c + xi)\) or on the implications of the definitions and analytic continuations discussed. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the conversation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear applicability of the zeta function definition across different regions, the dependence on the understanding of complex variables, and unresolved questions about the convergence of the series in certain cases.

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Can someone show me the steps to evaluating [tex]\zeta(c + xi)[/tex], where [tex]0 \leq c<1[/tex]?
 
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epkid08 said:
Can someone show me the steps to evaluating [tex]\zeta(c + xi)[/tex], where [tex]0 \leq c<1[/tex]?


There are many ways. In this case, as long as x is nonzero, you can simply use the definition of the zeta function

[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}[/tex]

If s has a nonzero imaginary part, the summation will converge. You can then analytically continue this to the positive real axis by adding and subtracting the pole at s = 1.
 
Count Iblis said:
There are many ways. In this case, as long as x is nonzero, you can simply use the definition of the zeta function

[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}[/tex]

If s has a nonzero imaginary part, the summation will converge. You can then analytically continue this to the positive real axis by adding and subtracting the pole at s = 1.

I have some questions.

The definition of the zeta function you posted, doesn't that only work for where re(s)>1?

I don't really understand the correct usage of s. Isn't s defined as n + xi? So then how can s just equal 1? Or does s refer only to the real part of it?

The non-trivial zeros of the zeta function happen when [tex]re(\zeta(s)) + im(\zeta(s))=0[/tex], and are said to be equal to [tex]\zeta(1/2+xi)[/tex], right?

Hopefully you can see through my confusion
 
epkid08 said:
I don't really understand the correct usage of s. Isn't s defined as n + xi? So then how can s just equal 1? Or does s refer only to the real part of it?

Re(s) is the real part of s, which is complex. I don't know what you mean by "how can s just equal 1", since no one's claimed that to be the case. Were you talking about the pole at s = 1? That's the thing that stops you from evaluating zeta(1) -- which is obvious since you're trying to sum the harmonic sequence there.

epkid08 said:
The non-trivial zeros of the zeta function happen when [tex]re(\zeta(s)) + im(\zeta(s))=0[/tex], and are said to be equal to [tex]\zeta(1/2+xi)[/tex], right?

Yes, [itex]\zeta(s)=0[/itex] at [itex]s=1/2+xi[/itex] for some real values of x.
 
CRGreathouse said:
Re(s) is the real part of s, which is complex. I don't know what you mean by "how can s just equal 1", since no one's claimed that to be the case. Were you talking about the pole at s = 1? That's the thing that stops you from evaluating zeta(1) -- which is obvious since you're trying to sum the harmonic sequence there.



Yes, [itex]\zeta(s)=0[/itex] at [itex]s=1/2+xi[/itex] for some real values of x.

I'm not quite sure how to evaluate the function where s equals say, 1/2 + i, mainly the i part.
 
What is the definition of the zeta function anyway? I only found this:[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}[/tex]
on wikipedia, but then I read that zeros occur at even negative integers, but I can't see how that fits with this definition...
 
That is the definition for Re(s)>1 only. You have to use the analytic continuation to evaluate for the negative even integers.
 
Kurret said:
What is the definition of the zeta function anyway? I only found this:[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}[/tex]
on wikipedia, but then I read that zeros occur at even negative integers, but I can't see how that fits with this definition...

That summation defines an analytical function for Re(s)>1. You can then analytically continue that function to the whole complex plane. You then get a (unique) meromorphic function on the complex plane that is identical to the given summation for Re(s) > 1.
 
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If Im(s) is different from zero, then doesn't the summation converge for 0<Re(s)<1? You'll have an oscillatory summand with decreasing terms...
 
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Count Iblis said:
If Im(s) is different from zero, then doesn't the summation converge for 0<Re(s)<1? You'll have an oscillatory summand with decreasing terms...

It doesn't converge nicely, that's for sure... it's wildly oscillating up to 10^7, at the least, in the OP's example.
 
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*-<|:-D=<-< said:
That is the definition for Re(s)>1 only. You have to use the analytic continuation to evaluate for the negative even integers.

Which means? :blushing:
 
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Let's recap here,

If you want to evaluate the zeta function With Re(s) > 1 you can use the definition.

[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^s}[/tex]

If you want to evaluate for Re(s) > 0 you can use the Dirichlet eta function for an analytic continuation.

[tex]\eta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{n-1}}{n^s}[/tex]

Which satisfies the relationship:

[tex]\frac{\eta(s)}{1-2^{1-s}}=\zeta(s)[/tex]

To evaluate for Re(s) < 0 you can use another analytic continuation.

[tex]\zeta(s)=2^s \pi^{s-1} \sin\left(\frac{\pi s}{2}\right) \Gamma(1-s) \zeta(1-s)[/tex]
 

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