Every Cauchy sequence of real numbers converges

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of Cauchy sequences of real numbers, specifically focusing on the proof's last lines and the conditions necessary for establishing convergence. Participants express confusion regarding the implications of certain conditions in the proof, particularly how the condition n≥N relates to the other conditions k≥K and nk≥N.

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  • Participants question the necessity of multiple conditions (n≥N, k≥K, nk≥N) for proving convergence and seek clarification on how these conditions interact. Some express uncertainty about the implications of n≥N alone and its relationship to the other variables in the proof.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the proof and its requirements. Some have provided insights into the reasoning behind the conditions, while others continue to seek clarification on specific points, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note the need to construct an appropriate N for the proof and question the role of k in relation to n. The conversation reflects a deeper exploration of the definitions and assumptions underlying the proof of convergence for Cauchy sequences.

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I understand everything except the last two lines. I am really confused about the last two lines of the proof. (actually I was never able to fully understand it since my first year calculus)
I agree that if ALL three of the conditions n≥N, k≥K, and nk≥N are satisfied, then the last line is true. But why does the condition n≥N alone imply that the last line is true? Does n≥N guarantee that k≥K, and nk≥N?
Why is it true that n≥N => |an-an_k| < ε/2 ?
And why is it true that n≥N => |an_k-L| < ε/2 ?
Can somebody kindly explain the last two lines of the proof in more detail?

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Any help is much appreciated!
 
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kingwinner said:

Homework Statement


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I understand everything except the last two lines. I am really confused about the last two lines of the proof. (actually I was never able to fully understand it since my first year calculus)
I agree that if ALL three of the conditions n≥N, k≥K, and nk≥N are satisfied, then the last line is true. But why does the condition n≥N alone implies that the last line is true? Does n≥N guarantee that k≥K
Knowing that [itex]n\ge N[/itex] doesn't tell you anything about k. That was why the proof says "Pick any [itex]k\ge K[/itex]" k is chosen to be larger than K. That has nothing to do with n. What the proof is really saying is "K is a fixed number so certainly there exist k> K. Also N is a fixed number and nk is a sequence that increases without bound so there exist numbers in the subsequence such that nk> N. Of all the nk> N, choose one for which k is also > K.

, and nk≥N?
Why is it true that n≥N => |an-an_k| < ε/2 ?
And why is it true that n≥N => |an_k-L| < ε/2 ?
Can somebody kindly explain the last two lines of the proof in more detail?

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Any help is much appreciated!
 
But at the end, we are supposed to prove that:
an->L
i.e. for all ε>0, there exists N such that n≥N => |an-L| < ε ?
(note that here only n appears, there is nothing about k)

Looking at the definition of an->L above, all we have to do is to construct an N that works. Just like every ε-limit proof, we have to find an N that works. And if we can find such an N, then the only restriction should be n≥N and nothing else, but in this proof we also have other restrictions k≥K and nk≥N which does not even appear in |an-L| < ε . How come? Please help...I really don't understand :(

Do we need all three conditions (n≥N, k≥K, and nk≥N) to be simultaneously satisfied in order for |an-L| < ε to hold??
 
All you have to show is that given an [itex]\epsilon[/itex], an N exists. It doesn't really matter how you found it; you just have to show it exists.
 
vela said:
All you have to show is that given an [itex]\epsilon[/itex], an N exists. It doesn't really matter how you found it; you just have to show it exists.

But what is that "N" in this case?
 
It says what N is in the fifth sentence of the proof.
 
vela said:
It says what N is in the fifth sentence of the proof.

So the exact same N there would work at the end?
 
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Yes. That's the point of the rest of the proof.
 
I've seen another proof of this theorem:

Given ε>0.
There exists N s.t. m,n≥N => |an-am|<ε/2
There exists M s.t. k≥M => |ank-L|<ε/2 and also M≥N.
Take N'=max{N,nM}
Then if n>N',
|an-L|≤|an-anM|+|anM-L|<ε/2+ε/2=ε
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Is this proof right or wrong? If it's right, I have the following questions:

1) Why is M≥N?

2) Why should we take N'=max{N,nM}?

Does anyone have any idea?

(I increased the font size to make the subscripts legible)
 

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