Is This Differential Equation Exact and How Do You Find Its Potential Function?

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The discussion revolves around determining if a given differential equation is exact and finding a potential function F(x,y) associated with it. The equation in question is (-4xy^2+y)dx+(-4x^y+x)dy = 0, which falls under the subject area of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the mixed partials check for exactness, with attempts to differentiate M and N with respect to y and x, respectively. There are questions about the interpretation of the results and the need for clarity in the calculations. Some participants express confusion about the integration steps and the purpose behind them.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity in the write-up and the importance of understanding the integration process. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still exploring the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the homework platform, which requires all parts of the solution to be correct for submission. There is also mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the integration steps and their relevance to finding the potential function.

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Homework Statement


Use the "mixed partials" check to see if the following differential equation is exact.
If it is exact find a function F(x,y) whose differential, dF(x,y) is the left hand side of the differential equation. That is, level curves F(x,y) = C are solutions to the differential equation:
(-4xy^2+y)dx+(-4x^y+x)dy = 0

Find:
M_{y}(x,y) = ?
N_{x}(x,y) = ?
F(x,y) = ?2. The attempt at a solution
I first partially differentiated each part (M and N) with respect to y and x, respectively. This got me this and they are exact:
M(x,y) = -4xy^2+y

\frac{∂M}{∂y} = -8xy+1

N(x,y) = 4x^2y+x

\frac{∂N}{∂y} = -8xy+1

Then I integrated M(x,y) with respect to x which got me:
-2x^2y^2+xy+h(y)

Then I partially differentiated that equation with respect to y:
\frac{∂M}{∂y} = -4x^2y+x+h'(y)

Next, I set that equation equal to N(x,y) and solved for h'(y):
-4x^2y+x+h'(y) = 4x^2y+x
h'(y) = 0

I then integrated with respect to y:
∫ h'(y) dy = ∫ 0 dy
h(y) = 0 + C

Finally I plug it back into the original equation:

-2x^2y^2+xy+h(y)
h(y) = 0 + C
-2x^2y^2 + xy + C = -2x^2y^2 + C

But because the website (WeBWorK) does not allow the input of "C", I just left it as:
-2x^2y^2 + xy

Thus, my answers were:
M_{y}(x,y) = -8xy+1
N_{x}(x,y) = -8xy+1
F(x,y) = -2x^2y^2 + xy

I submitted the answers but the site said they were wrong, and I don't know which ones are wrong because the question is one of those, "get all right for a point" kind of thing.
 
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τheory said:

Homework Statement


Use the "mixed partials" check to see if the following differential equation is exact.
If it is exact find a function F(x,y) whose differential, dF(x,y) is the left hand side of the differential equation. That is, level curves F(x,y) = C are solutions to the differential equation:
(-4xy^2+y)dx+(-4x^y+x)dy = 0

Find:
M_{y}(x,y) = ?
N_{x}(x,y) = ?
F(x,y) = ?2. The attempt at a solution
I first partially differentiated each part (M and N) with respect to y and x, respectively. This got me this and they are exact:
M(x,y) = -4xy^2+y

\frac{∂M}{∂y} = -8xy+1

N(x,y) = 4x^2y+x

\frac{∂N}{∂y} = -8xy+1

Then I integrated M(x,y) with respect to x which got me:
-2x^2y^2+xy+h(y)
But what is the left side of that equation? What is it that you have just calculated? Remember that you are looking for a function F(x,y) such that Fx=M and Fy= N.
Then I partially differentiated that equation with respect to y:
\frac{∂M}{∂y} = -4x^2y+x+h'(y)
What equation?? You have just differentiated an expression. You need an equals sign and something on both sides.
Next, I set that equation equal to N(x,y) and solved for h'(y):
-4x^2y+x+h'(y) = 4x^2y+x
h'(y) = 0
And once you answer the above questions you might understand what is equal to that and also see why you should stop right there.

Also, you can check whether your F(x,y) works (it does).
 
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But what is the left side of that equation? What is it that you have just calculated? Remember that you are looking for a function F(x,y) such that Fx=M and Fy= N.

My bad, the left side of that equation is suppose to be:
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx

Which formulates this:
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx = ∫ (-4xy^2+y) dx + h(y)
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx = -2x^2y^2 + xy + h(y)

What equation?? You have just differentiated an expression. You need an equals sign and something on both sides.
I differentiated this:
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx

Which led to this:
\frac{∂}{∂y} [∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx] = \frac{∂}{∂y} [-2x^2y^2 + xy + h(y)]
\frac{∂}{∂y} [∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dx] = -4x^2y+x+h'(y)
 
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τheory said:
My bad, the left side of that equation is suppose to be:
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dy

Which formulates this:
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dy = ∫ -4xy^2+y dy + h(y)
∫ \frac{∂M}{∂y} dy = -2x^2y^2 + xy + h(y)

I added a note to my first post while you were typing this. Your answer is correct but your writeup isn't good. I know you were taking the antiderivative of M(x,y) with respect to x when you got ##-2x^2y^2+xy+h(y)##. But why are you doing that integration? What is it that you are calculating when you do that antiderivative? You need to understand that.
 
Whops quick note, I just finished editing my previous post when you just responded; the equation you quoted from me should have been "dx" and not "dy".
 
LCKurtz said:
I added a note to my first post while you were typing this. Your answer is correct but your writeup isn't good. I know you were taking the antiderivative of M(x,y) with respect to x when you got ##-2x^2y^2+xy+h(y)##. But why are you doing that integration? What is it that you are calculating when you do that antiderivative? You need to understand that.

τheory said:
Whops quick note, I just finished editing my previous post when you just responded; the equation you quoted from me should have been "dx" and not "dy".

Yes, I figured that...
 

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