Estimating the Degree of Roughness for Challenging Homework Problems

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The discussion revolves around estimating the degree of roughness related to several mathematical problems, including finding square roots, solving a homogeneous system of equations, and determining a vector based on given vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the interpretation of the first problem regarding square roots, questioning what exactly needs to be found. There is discussion about converting the homogeneous system into a matrix form and using methods like Gauss elimination. The third problem raises concerns about the lack of information to find vector D, with some participants suggesting that relationships between the vectors are necessary for a solution.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering thoughts on potential approaches and clarifying misunderstandings. Some guidance has been provided regarding the methods that could be used for the homogeneous system, while the need for additional information in the vector problem is acknowledged.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the questions posed, indicating that there may be missing information or unclear instructions in the original problems. The original poster mentions a previous exam failure, which adds a layer of urgency to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



ok I am going to supply some preps I got from exam(all that i remember) and I want you to estimate the degree of roughness

Find the square roots

1) |z|9+27=0

2)find homogenus system

x+y-c+2z=0
-x+2y+c+z=0
x+y+c+z=0
2x+y+c+2z=0 ------->im not sure but its pretty similar I think the concept could be the same

3)vector A(2,3,1) B(3,2,2) C(1,2,1) find vector D

I DONT WANT YOU TO SOLVE MY EQUATION BUT JUST GIVE OUT THOUGHTS of a possible solution BTW I failed this exam, next one I'll be hoping to get in is in june

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i'm not sure what the question ask, but i'll try to understand.
and sorry if i have a bad english, ngahaha

lorik said:

Find the square roots

1) |z|9+27=0


square root of what?
lorik said:
2)find homogenus system

x+y-c+2z=0
-x+2y+c+z=0
x+y+c+z=0
2x+y+c+2z=0 ------->im not sure but its pretty similar I think the concept could be the same

maybe the question asking the values of the unknown of the homogeneous system,

if yes,

try to convert them to Ax=B

hmm how do i show A, I am not really good in latex, and lazy to find one, but it is something like

( 1 1 -1 2 ) x 0
( -1 2 1 1 ) y = 0
( 1 1 1 1 ) c 0
( 2 1 1 2 ) z 0something like that ahaha.

then they are many ways to solve it.
lorik said:
3)vector A(2,3,1) B(3,2,2) C(1,2,1) find vector D

i think something is missing on this question,
 
lorik said:

Homework Statement



ok I am going to supply some preps I got from exam(all that i remember) and I want you to estimate the degree of roughness

Find the square roots

1) |z|9+27=0

2)find homogenus system

x+y-c+2z=0
-x+2y+c+z=0
x+y+c+z=0
2x+y+c+2z=0 ------->im not sure but its pretty similar I think the concept could be the same

3)vector A(2,3,1) B(3,2,2) C(1,2,1) find vector D

I DONT WANT YOU TO SOLVE MY EQUATION BUT JUST GIVE OUT THOUGHTS of a possible solution BTW I failed this exam, next one I'll be hoping to get in is in june
Do you have any thoughts?

There is not enough information in your third problem. If all you know is three vectors, and no other information, there's no way to find some other vector.
 
annoymage said:
i'm not sure what the question ask, but i'll try to understand.
and sorry if i have a bad english, ngahaha



square root of what?



maybe the question asking the values of the unknown of the homogeneous system,

if yes,

try to convert them to Ax=B

hmm how do i show A, I am not really good in latex, and lazy to find one, but it is something like

( 1 1 -1 2 ) x 0
( -1 2 1 1 ) y = 0
( 1 1 1 1 ) c 0
( 2 1 1 2 ) z 0


something like that ahaha.

then they are many ways to solve it.




i think something is missing on this question,

1)of z.
2)can i use row echelon form, like gauss elimination ?
3)I think not !
 
1. of you mean to find \sqrt{z} or z1/2

then

lzl9 = -27

and you have to make z in term of a number
or something like this

\sqrt{z} = ?

2. of course you can use gauss elimination method, it think you need to understand that method so you can apply it for some other problems

3. i really think to find D is imposible, how can you find one, there don't have any relation from A,B or C
 
annoymage said:
1. of you mean to find \sqrt{z} or z1/2

then

lzl9 = -27

and you have to make z in term of a number
or something like this

\sqrt{z} = ?

2. of course you can use gauss elimination method, it think you need to understand that method so you can apply it for some other problems

3. i really think to find D is imposible, how can you find one, there don't have any relation from A,B or C

1) Should it be z=square root of 1 square + 27 square = 28

arctang =b/a =27/1 = pi/4 ?
----> 28(cos pi/4 + isin pi/4)
square root (cos Φ+2kpi/n + isin Φ+2kpi/n)

I need a bit of help here !

2)thanks for clearing that up

3)maybe I am hypothesizing don't know ,will look it up.
 
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lorik said:
|z|9+27=0
The question was probably find all of the roots of this equation. That would be find all nine of the ninth roots (not square roots) of |z|9, where |z|9 = -27.

For 2, yes use row reduction to find the solution of the system of equations.

For 3, we're telling you that you haven't provided enough information.
lorik said:
vector A(2,3,1) B(3,2,2) C(1,2,1) find vector D

This is just like if I said x = 2, y = 5, z = -3, find w. Unless we know of some relationship between x, y, z, and w, this is a meaningless question. Same thing with the vectors in the question you asked. There has to be some relationship between all the vectors so that it's possible to find the last vector.
 

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