Existence of Convolution for Lebesgue Integrable Functions

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The discussion revolves around the existence of convolution for Lebesgue integrable functions, specifically examining the conditions under which the integral of the product of two functions remains finite for almost all values of x. The participants are exploring the implications of Lebesgue integrability and the boundedness of functions involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants question the assumption that integrable functions are bounded, discussing the nature of Lebesgue integrability and providing examples to illustrate their points. There is exploration of specific functions, such as 1/Sqrt[x], and their integrability over certain intervals.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing counter-examples and challenging assumptions about boundedness and integrability. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the properties of the functions in question.

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Participants are considering the implications of functions that are integrable on specific intervals and the behavior of these functions near points of discontinuity or singularity. The discussion includes references to measure theory and the nature of sets of measure zero.

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It is a theorem in my book that if f and g are two Lebesgue integrable complex valued functions on R, then the integral

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}|f(x-y)g(y)|dy

is finite for almost all x in R.

Why not all? f is integrable, hence bounded, say, by M. Therefor, whatever x, we have |f(x-y)g(y)|<M|g(y)|, which is integrable, so |f(x-y)g(y)| is too, independantly of x!
 
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I'm a bit puzzled by your question. If f and g are "Lebesque" integrable that only means the are "nice" everywhere except on a set of measure 0. In particular your statemnt "f is integrable, hence bounded" is not true. If f is integrable, it is bounded everywhere except on a set of measure 0. For example, since the rational numbers, between 0 and 1, are countable, the set of all such rational numbers has measure 0. Also, since they are countable, the can be put in a "list", r1[/sup], r2, etc. Define f(x), between 0 and 1, by f(x)= 1 if x is irrational, f(x]) = i for r= ri. That function is integrable on [0, 1] (in fact, its integral is 1) and bounded on the set of irrational numbers between 0 and 1, , but not on [0, 1].
 
quasar987 said:

Homework Statement


It is a theorem in my book that if f and g are two Lebesgue integrable complex valued functions on R, then the integral

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}|f(x-y)g(y)|dy

is finite for almost all x in R.

Why not all? f is integrable, hence bounded

why bounded? how about 1/Sqrt[x].
 
replace "bounded" with "bounded almost everywhere".
 
consider f(x)=g(x)=1/Sqrt[x]
 
I think 1/sqrt{x} is not integrable on ]0,a], because 1/x isn't and 1/sqrt{x} is bigger than 1/x.

So what is your counter-example for oldgranpappy? (I assume this is what you'Re hinting at)
 
quasar987 said:
I think 1/sqrt{x} is not integrable on ]0,a],

1/Sqrt[x] is integrable on [a,b] for any 'a' and 'b', pos, neg, whatever.

because 1/x isn't and 1/sqrt{x} is bigger than 1/x.

not near zero.

So what is your counter-example for oldgranpappy? (I assume this is what you'Re hinting at)

Oh, I was just saying that if f(x-y)=1/Sqrt[x-y] and g(y)=1/Sqrt[y]
then for x=0
f(x-y)g(y) is 1/y which blows up too fast at zero to integrate... but maybe that's a dumb example.
 

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