Existence of directional derivative

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The discussion revolves around the existence of the directional derivative for a function defined at the origin, specifically examining the function \( f(x,y) = \sqrt[3]{xy} \). Participants are exploring the conditions under which the directional derivative can be determined, particularly at the point \((0,0)\).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the directional derivative and questions how to verify its existence. Other participants provide insights into the limit definition of the directional derivative and analyze the implications of the partial derivatives being zero.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the reasoning presented regarding the limit and its implications for the existence of the directional derivative. Multiple interpretations of the conditions for the directional derivative are being explored, particularly focusing on the necessity for either \(a\) or \(b\) to be zero.

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There is an emphasis on the behavior of the function at the origin, with specific attention to the continuity and the existence of partial derivatives. The discussion also reflects on the constraints imposed by the requirement for \(u\) to be a unit vector.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Partial derivative

Direction derivative in the direction of unit vector u = <a, b>:
Du f(x,y) = fx (x,y) a + fy (x,y) b
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My attempt:
I have proved (i), it is continuous since ##\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)}=f(0,0)##

I also have shown the partial derivative exists for (ii), where ##f_x=0## and ##f_y=0##

I have a problem with the directional derivative. Taking u = <a, b> , I got:
$$Du =\frac{\sqrt[3] y}{3 \sqrt[3] {x^2}}a+\frac{\sqrt[3] x}{3 \sqrt[3] {y^2}}b$$

Then how to check whether the directional derivative exists or not?

Thanks
 
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The directional derivative at ##[0,0]## in direction ##[a,b]## (has to be zero since both partial directions are and) is given by
$$
D_{[0,0]}(f)\cdot [a,b]=0=\lim_{h\to 0}\dfrac{f([0,0]+h[a,b])-f([0,0])}{h}
$$
What do you get on the right-hand side for ##f([x,y])= \sqrt[3]{xy}##?
 
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fresh_42 said:
The directional derivative at ##[0,0]## in direction ##[a,b]## (has to be zero since both partial directions are and) is given by
$$
D_{[0,0]}(f)\cdot [a,b]=0=\lim_{h\to 0}\dfrac{f([0,0]+h[a,b])-f([0,0])}{h}
$$
What do you get on the right-hand side for ##f([x,y])= \sqrt[3]{xy}##?
$$0=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{\sqrt[3]{(h^{2}ab)}-0}{h}$$
$$0=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{(ab)^{\frac{1}{3}}}{h^{\frac{1}{3}}}$$

The limit can only exist if ##(ab)^{\frac{1}{3}}=0## so either ##a=0## or ##b=0## and since ##u## is unit vector, if ##a=0## then ##b=\pm 1## and vice versa

Is my working correct? Thanks
 
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Yes, that is correct.
 
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Thank you very much fresh_42
 
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