Exit temperature of cooling pond

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of exit temperature for a cooling pond system designed to cool palm oil mill effluent (POME) from 70 to 40 degrees Celsius. Participants explore the challenges posed by the presence of an insulating layer of oil on the POME, the effectiveness of convective cooling, and the implications for the growth of mesophilic bacteria in the biogas production process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Charles CL describes the cooling pond system and its parameters, noting the difficulty in achieving the desired temperature reduction due to an insulating layer of oil.
  • Some participants suggest that the system is limited to convective cooling without evaporation, which may hinder temperature reduction.
  • There is a discussion about the calculation of the convection coefficient and its relationship to wind speed, with some participants questioning the absence of wind speed in the calculations.
  • One participant proposes that adding agitation, such as aeration or sprinklers, may improve cooling efficiency compared to modifying heat transfer calculations.
  • Charles CL seeks advice on the density of POME, indicating a lack of available information on this parameter.
  • Participants express interest in the implications of the cooling pond's design and its impact on the biogas production process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of convective cooling and the potential benefits of adding agitation methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate the exit temperature or address the challenges posed by the oil layer.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of information on POME density and the assumptions made regarding the cooling mechanisms available in the system. The discussion also highlights potential design oversights and the need for further investigation into the cooling pond's performance.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals involved in biogas production, environmental engineering, or those working with cooling systems in industrial applications may find this discussion relevant.

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Dear All,

Referring to the subject above, I have found the calculation of heat load based on [Lawrence,K.W., Norman, C. P. & Yung, T. H. (2005). Advanced Air and Noise Pollution Control. Totowa: Humana Press.]

My cooling pond system:
1. Purpose: cooling POME temperature from 70 to 40 degree C.
2. Medium: palm oil mill effluent (POME),
3. Surface Pond Area: 800 m2,
4. Average wind speed: 4 km/h (no shelter/open pond),
5. Humidity: 88% RH,
6. Solar radiation: 4345 kcal/(m2*d),
7. Room temperature: 30 - 35 degree C.

It is using the equilibrium temperature to estimate the exit temperature of WATER from the pond. However, mine system is using POME which came after the palm oil extraction from the fresh fruit bunch (FFB).
The real situation is, this created some problem due to a layer of oil on the medium as the extraction process is not that efficient. The temperature was not able to reduce after a retention time of 2 days, and the current temperature is at 45 degree C which is above the mesophilic temperature for the bacteria to be alive and active.
Could anyone advice on how to calculate the exit temperature based on the situation above as the POME has a layer of oil insulating on it?
Back to the calculation get from the book, it has not included the heat load for once-through cooling ponds, but only included it for completely recirculating type of cooling pond. Mine system is plug flow system, which it would be the same as once-through system.

Besides, i can't find any information regarding to the density of POME. If anyone know, kindly share at here.

Advance thanks,
Charles CL.
 
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Charles CL said:
exit temperature based on the situation above as the POME has a layer of oil insulating on it
You're stuck with convective cooling only (no evaporation).
Charles CL said:
POME temperature from 70 to 40 degree C.
Charles CL said:
4. Average wind speed: 4 km/h (
Charles CL said:
30 - 35 degree C
Charles CL said:
4345 kcal/(m2*d),
 
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Bystander said:
You're stuck with convective cooling only (no evaporation).

Hi Bystander, thank you for the reply.
Convection,
q = hA(T0 - T1).

What about the density of the POME? Do you have any idea on it?
I
 
Dear Bystander,

Enclosed with the excel calculation sheet that i had done previously.
Notice that, the formula used was for conduction and evaporation, where Bowen's conduction-evaporation coefficient was applied. However, no heat load applied in the calculation.

For apply of convection only,
the convection coefficient will be calculated as attached excel file (calculation template from engineeringtoolbox.com).
With the convection coefficient calculation, i see no wind speed parameter involved. May you please advice on how to get to the temperature of the POME with the convection coefficient?
 

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If the object is to keep the POME at a temperature less than 40 C, you will probably get more satisfactory results adding some sort of agitation (aeration from below the pond surface, or sprinkler/mist) than trying further modification of heat transfer software that's not terribly well adapted to the problem.
 
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Thank you for the sharing of idea.
It is a good idea of adding sprinkler/mist as it does not involved additional electrical consumption.
How about the further modification of heat transfer calculation from the data sheet?
Kindly advice.
 
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@Charles CL -- Welcome to the PF. Can you say more about this project? From your PF Profile page, it looks like you have recently graduated from university and have been given this project. What resources do you have available at your new company? What safety and health regulations do you need to keep in mind in this project? :smile:

Charles CL said:
I'm a fresh grad and newbie at biogas field.
I wish i can get more advice from the worldwide experts.
 
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berkeman said:
@Charles CL -- Welcome to the PF. Can you say more about this project? From your PF Profile page, it looks like you have recently graduated from university and have been given this project. What resources do you have available at your new company? What safety and health regulations do you need to keep in mind in this project? :smile:

Hi Berkeman,

I'm working on biogas project, where we are using bacteria to generate the gas and turn it into electricity. The cooling pond functioned to cool down the temperature of the incoming POME (waste) which come from the palm oil mill factory after the extraction of the palm oil. This POME is used as the "food" for the bacteria to grow and produce the gas. The entry temperature to the cooling pond was recorded at 70 degree C, which is very high for the mesophilic bacteria to be alive and active, and it is going to be cooled down into 35 to 40 degree C. However, our site engineer reported that the pond has exceeded the ideal temperature approaching to 50 degree C, which is not good for system.

Therefore, I'm going to find out the source of problem. It might be caused by the design overlook from the consultant, or it might be caused by the civil work. I'm working out of this calculation is to see the level of significant of the area of the pond towards the cooling effect, and the contribution of effect of the oil layer towards the surface temperature of the pond.

Please advice me for the previous post.

Thanks
 

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