Exothermic reactions that release hydrogen?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around exothermic chemical reactions that release hydrogen, focusing on the safety and hazards associated with the reagents and products involved. Participants explore various reactions, their practicality, and potential alternatives.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about exothermic reactions that release hydrogen without strong hazards, mentioning alkali metals and the possibility of using additives to reduce risks.
  • Another participant asserts that any reactive reagent capable of releasing hydrogen exothermically will inherently be hazardous, citing hydrazine as an example.
  • Some participants mention reactions between metals and acids, such as magnesium with hydrochloric acid, and aluminum with sodium hydroxide, as exothermic hydrogen-producing reactions.
  • A participant discusses a recent discovery involving an aluminum-gallium alloy that reacts with water to release hydrogen, noting its patent and commercialization.
  • Concerns are raised about the cost and toxicity of certain metals, with a participant suggesting that high lithium content aluminum alloys could be more effective and less expensive than aluminum-gallium alloys.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the public availability of metals that produce hydrogen with water due to potential misuse in illicit activities.
  • Another participant challenges a comment about hemp, providing information on its industrial uses and properties, while acknowledging the previous remarks were somewhat off-base.
  • A participant mentions that magnesium can react with steam to produce hydrogen gas through a single displacement reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints on the safety and practicality of different reactions that release hydrogen. There is no consensus on the best approach or the safety of the proposed methods, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the safety and effectiveness of specific reactions depend on the definitions of hazards and the context of use. The discussion includes unresolved concerns regarding the availability and public perception of certain materials.

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Hello, I was wondering if there are any exothermic (or otherwise spontaneous) chemical reactions that release hydrogen, in which the reagents and products aren't strongly hazardous?

I know of the reaction of alkali metals with water, but these produce strong alkaline solutions.. Perhaps one could use some extra additive to make this less hazardous (e.g. maybe precipitate some harmless salt of the alkali metal)?
 
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Any reagent that is reactive enough to release hydrogen exothermically will by definition be hazardous. Hydrazine is a perfect example of this.

H2N2H2 + catalyst (Ru, Fe2O3, FeN...) -----> 2H2 + N2 + heat
 
Just two, exothermic, Hydrogen producing chemical reactions that I can think of off the top of my head would be reactions between metals and acids (for example, Magnesium reacting with Hydrochloric acid), and also the reaction between Aluminum metal and a Sodium Hydroxide solution.
 
Easy method to extract hydrogen from water discovered

Saw this on Eco-Talk TV show and researched it. It's pretty interesting.

Apparently, if you melt together aluminum and gallium and create an alloy, when you later add water, it reacts and releases hydrogen. This was discovered a few months ago at Purdue U., patented and the rights have been sold to a company named AlGalCo, LLC.

Read more here:

http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html

The remaining question is whether other, less expensive metal alloys would exhibit similar properties.

Reminds me of all those turn-of-the-century anectodotal stories about inventors making fuel from water, who were put out of business by the oil companies. Maybe some of them were true.
 
Walk_the_Walk said:
Saw this on Eco-Talk TV show and researched it. It's pretty interesting.

Apparently, if you melt together aluminum and gallium and create an alloy, when you later add water, it reacts and releases hydrogen. This was discovered a few months ago at Purdue U., patented and the rights have been sold to a company named AlGalCo, LLC.

Read more here:

http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html

The remaining question is whether other, less expensive metal alloys would exhibit similar properties.
Alcali metals, for example (Gallium is quite expensive). Anyway, if it weren't for its higher toxicity, you could use mercury, which has the same effect on aluminum; worse, if you touch an aluminum body with an object having some mercury metal or mercury(II) salt, that Al body will start to "rotten" in air, especially in the presence of acqueous vapour. (Hg amalgamates continuously with Al making it react with oxygen or water).
 
I believe that high lithium content aluminum alloys will do the same thing. The energy output (H2) per weight is much better for this alloy than the Al/Ga as well. It certainly costs less as well.

All this is moot, however, since any metal that can produce hydrogen in contact with water will never be available to the public. This is due to the use of these metals in the illicit manufacture of drugs (and you know who you are!).

As soon as this material was made available to the market it would go to baaad places and people.

What's next? A hemp-powered steam car? Maybe for the California market. I could just imagine it now... "Oh, man! I need this medical marijuana to power my car to go to the doctor!" Yeah, and I need to tailgate him as well! (for medical reasons, of course)
 
thanks for your reply - it is interesting and insightful, but your comments on hemp are so far off base that, with all due respect, I wonder if you have ever researched anything on this topic. If you were to do so, you would learn that the industrial version of hemp has many, many wonderful properties and uses; produces a great deal of natural oils, could be used to supplant our dependency on foreign oil, and most important of all - contains about 0.03% THC. That is, you could not get high on it if you tried.

Unfortunately, the 'reefer madness' era and the Reagan era has all but shut down most industrial uses of hemp, unless you live in Canada.

But, I am not trying to start another thread, here, just pointing out some important facts.
 
I was kind of hoping that my hemp comments were a little off somewhere...
I didn't know about the hemp oil, though. Thanks for the heads up.
(now, where did that tongue-in-cheek emoticon go?)
 
Mg + H20

If the water is steam, it'll work quicker, but the Mg will replace the H2 in a single displacement reaction giving you hydrogen gas.
 

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