Expanding f(x) = x/(x+1) about a=10

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around expanding the function f(x) = x/(x+1) in a Taylor series about the point a=10. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods and considerations for performing this expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss computing derivatives and evaluating them at the point of expansion. There are attempts to rewrite the function in a form suitable for series expansion, with some questioning the validity of their manipulations. Others suggest focusing on the denominator and the implications of the point of expansion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have provided guidance on rewriting the function, while others express confusion about the steps involved in the series expansion and the role of the point a=10.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the manipulation of the function and the assumptions made about the series expansion. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the chosen point of expansion on the original function.

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Homework Statement



Expand f(x) = x/(x+1) in a taylor series about a=10.

Homework Equations



f(x) = Ʃ (f^n(a)*(x-a)^n / n!

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having a hard time arriving at the correct answer..I think I'm definitely getting lost somewhere along the way. Here's what I've got so far:


I started by computing the derivatives.
f'(x) = 1/(x+1)^2

f''(x) = (-2(x+1))/(x+1)^4

Then evaluating each at 10:

f'(10) = 1/121

f''(10) = -22/14641

and f(10) = 10/11

Then, using the above equation,

10/11 + 1/121 * (x-10) + (-22/11^4 * (x-10)^2)/2 + ...

This doesn't really take me in the right direction at all, though. I know x/1-x is near the form 1/1-x which I need for a power series expansion. Should I be trying to represent it as such?

Hope this is clear! I'm quite confused!
 
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Do you know the series expansion of

[tex]\frac{1}{1-y}[/tex]

??

Try to write your function in that form.
 
Ok, I had a feeling that was the direction I should be heading in. So, writing it in that form, I get

1/1 - (-1/x)

and so my series becomes from n=0 to infinity, (-1/x)^n

Am I on the right track at least?
 
Maybe I'll do an instructive example:

[tex]\frac{1}{x+10}=-\frac{1}{-10-x}=-\frac{1}{-18-(x-8)}=\frac{1}{18}\frac{1}{1-(x-8)/(-18)}=\frac{1}{18}\sum \frac{1}{(-18)^n}(x-8)^n[/tex]

I hope I didn't make any typos. But that's basically it.
 
Ok, I follow all of that except where you factor out 1/18. Shouldn't the 1 in the denominator, 1-(x-8)/(-18) be negative?

And then your series emerges from the fact that 1/1-x = summation x^n, where -(x-8)/-18 is your x, correct?

So, that's kinda what I tried...here it is step by step...

x/1+x = 1/(1/x+1) = 1/(1- (-1/x)

And my x for the series is (-1/x)
 
forestmine said:
Ok, I follow all of that except where you factor out 1/18. Shouldn't the 1 in the denominator, 1-(x-8)/(-18) be negative?

And then your series emerges from the fact that 1/1-x = summation x^n, where -(x-8)/-18 is your x, correct?

So, that's kinda what I tried...here it is step by step...

x/1+x = 1/(1/x+1) = 1/(1- (-1/x)

And my x for the series is (-1/x)

OK, I might have made some mistakes in my post, but you get the point I see.

But what you did is NOT allowed at all. You did [itex]\frac{1}{x+1}=\frac{1}{x}+1[/itex] which is very, very, very wrong!

What you should do is forget the x in the numerator for a second and try to make something out of

[tex]\frac{1}{1+x}[/tex]

We'll worry about the numerator later.
 
Hm, I'm confused. I just factored an x out of the denominator, and canceled it with the numerator, but that's not ok?

Ok, but ignoring the numerator for now...it would just be

1/1-(-x), and so for my series, x = -x ?Thanks for the help by the way! :) I really appreciate it.
 
forestmine said:
Hm, I'm confused. I just factored an x out of the denominator, and canceled it with the numerator, but that's not ok?

Your second step is not ok.

Ok, but ignoring the numerator for now...it would just be

1/1-(-x), and so for my series, x = -x ?

Remember that you would like to expand the series around a=10.
What you're doing now is fine, except that your expansion is around a=0 now.
 
Ahh! That's right!

So in that case,

Ʃ(-x-10)n
 
  • #10
No, that's not correct.
 
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Ah, ok, in that case, I'm lost. For taylor series, the derivative is involved, but I don't see what I'd be taking the derivative of? And I know that Taylor series is summation of f'(a)(x-a)/n!, but I'm not sure how to get this into those terms.

Edit// I take that back...I don't think the derivative is involved at all, and this is just a straight-forward power-series. Although, I'm still not sure how to represent it in terms of a. Does my a affect the original function immediately, or do I incorporate it as part of the series later?
 
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  • #12
I've been able to make sense of my teacher's solution up to a point...

He starts with,

((x-10)+10)/((x-10) + 11)

Now, I can see how in doing that, he hasn't changed the original problem at all, and he has incorporated the a=10 right away. But...I don't really see how exactly the a is being incorporated, other than arbitrarily being thrown into the function? It could just as easily have been (x-5 + 5)/(x-5+6) for that matter, right?

From there, he breaks the above up into a sum of two fractions, and then sets (x-10) = u. And from there he proceeds to set up a series, but I don't even understand the aforementioned step, so I can't quite figure out what's going on with the series.
 

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