Expectation value of a SUM using Dirac notation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation value of the Hamiltonian for a one-dimensional particle with a given wavefunction expressed in terms of a sum of energy eigenstates. Participants are exploring the implications of using Dirac notation and the properties of wavefunctions in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the wavefunction and the expectation value, questioning the use of bra-ket notation with a sum of wavefunctions. There are inquiries about the orthonormality of the wavefunctions and how it affects the calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the implications of orthonormality and the simplification of terms in the expectation value calculation. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding notation and the handling of complex factors, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to proceed.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Hamiltonian and wavefunction properties. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in notation to avoid confusion during calculations.

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Homework Statement


Consider a one-dimensional particle subject to the Hamiltonian H with wavefunction \Psi(r,t) =\sum_{n=1}^{2} a_{n}\Psi _{n}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{n}t}{\hbar}}
where H\Psi _{n}(x)=E_{n}\Psi _{n}(x) and where a_{1} = a_{2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}. Calculate the expectation value of the Hamiltonian with respect to \Psi (x,t)? Which energy eigenvalue is the most likely outcome when we measure the energy of particle once?

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\Psi(r,t) =\sum_{n=1}^{2} a_{n}\Psi _{n}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{n}t}{\hbar}}

let \Psi_{1}(r,t) =a_{1}\Psi _{1}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}} and \Psi_{2}(r,t) =a_{2}\Psi _{2}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}}

therefore \left \langle H \right \rangle = \left \langle \Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}|H |\Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}\right \rangle

which gives \left \langle H \right \rangle = (E_{1}+ E_{2}) \left \langle \Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}|\Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}\right \rangle

but not sure what to do now? is this the best way to do this? the trouble I am having is using bra ket notation to work with a sum of wavefunctions.

any advice on this would really be appreciated!

thanks in advance
 
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Are the wavefunctions orthonormal, if so what happens then?
 
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Vagn said:
Are the wavefunctions orthonormal, if so what happens then?

(E_{1}+ E_{2}) \left \langle \Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}|\Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}\right \rangle

Yes, hence the bra ket term above would equal 1. However I need to get the a_{1} and a_{2} out of there. we did a degenerate problem in bra and ket that gave:

a_{1}\left \langle \Psi _{1} |H| \Psi _{1} \right \rangle + a_{2}\left \langle \Psi _{2} |H| \Psi _{2} \right \rangle + a_{1}\left \langle \Psi _{1} |V| \Psi _{1} \right \rangle + a_{2}\left \langle \Psi _{2} |V| \Psi _{2} \right \rangle = Ea_{1}\left \langle \Psi _{1}|\Psi _{1} \right \rangle + Ea_{2}\left \langle \Psi _{1}|\Psi _{2} \right \rangle

and was much easier to simplify, for example the exponential terms in my question will not go to 1, because there are 2 different energy levels. how do I deal with these extra terms in bra ket notation?

many thanks for the reply!
 
rwooduk said:
let \Psi_{1}(r,t) =a_{1}\Psi _{1}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}} and \Psi_{2}(r,t) =a_{2}\Psi _{2}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}}
therefore \left \langle H \right \rangle = \left \langle \Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}|H |\Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}\right \rangle
which gives $$\left \langle H \right \rangle = (E_{1}+ E_{2}) \left \langle \Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}|\Psi _{1}+ \Psi _{2}\right \rangle$$
By defining ##\Psi_{1}(r,t)## and then dropping the (r,t) you cause confusion between your ##\Psi_{1}(r,t)## and the eigenfunction of the Hamiltonian ##\Psi_{1}(x)##.

The "which gives" that follows is not correct:
$$H \left |\; a_1\Psi _{1}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}}+ a_2\Psi _{2}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}}\right \rangle = E_1 a_1 \left | \Psi _{1}(x) \right > e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}} + E_2 a_2 \left | \Psi _{2}(x) \right > e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}} $$
 
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BvU said:
By defining ##\Psi_{1}(r,t)## and then dropping the (r,t) you cause confusion between your ##\Psi_{1}(r,t)## and the eigenfunction of the Hamiltonian ##\Psi_{1}(x)##.

The "which gives" that follows is not correct:
$$H \left |\; a_1\Psi _{1}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}}+ a_2\Psi _{2}(x)e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}}\right \rangle = E_1 a_1 \left | \Psi _{1}(x) \right > e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}} + E_2 a_2 \left | \Psi _{2}(x) \right > e^{\frac{-iE_{2}t}{\hbar}} $$
Thanks, I didnt realize you could put everything in a ket like that, it's a little messy, but yes you answered my question. I will work through the problem and see where it goes.

Many thanks for all the help, really appreciated!
 
Don't forget to take complex conjugates when you take factors like ##a_1\; e^{\frac{-iE_{1}t}{\hbar}}## outside the bra state
 
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