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The discussion revolves around solving a quantum mechanics problem involving a particle's wave function and its properties. The user successfully found the normalization constant A and the potential energy function V(x) but struggled with calculating the expectation value of momentum squared, . A suggestion was made to use the time-independent Schrödinger equation to simplify the process of finding without needing to differentiate twice. There was also clarification regarding the expectation values, with some confusion about the results leading to a possible typo in the original calculations. The conversation highlights the complexities of quantum mechanics and the importance of careful mathematical manipulation in solving such problems.
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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is in the state

Psi(x,t) = Ae^(-a[(mx^2)+it])

where A and a are positive real constants.

a) Find A

b) For what potential energy function V(x) does Psi satisfy the Shrodinger equation?

c) Calculate the expectation values of x, x^2, p, and p^2

d) Find sigma_x and sigma_p. Is their product consistent with the uncertainty principle?


Homework Equations


Intetgral of p(x)dx = 1 (from negative infinity to infinity)
Shrodinger equation
<x> = Integral of Psi* (x) Psi dx
<p> = Integral of Psi* (hbar/i partial derivative with respect to position) Psi dx
sigma_x times sigma_p > or = hbar/2


The Attempt at a Solution


I managed to get solutions for parts a and b, and most of part c. Using the equations listed above, I got 0 for <x> and <p> and 1/4 hbar/(am). The problem I had was figuring out how to solve <p^2>. I tried squaring hbar/i and the partial derivative term but that lead to some problems.

The partial derivative is A^2 (-2amx/hbar) e^(-amx^2/hbar - iat).

When I squared only the (-2amx/hbar) part, I managed to get a solution of hbar*am, and when I solved for the standard deviations and put them into the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle I got exactly hbar/2. However, a friend of mine informed me that e^(-amx^x/hbar - iat) is also part of the derivative, and when I tried squaring that as well I ran into problems with simplification.

Is hbar*am the correct answer? And if so, why don't I have to square e^(-amx^2/hbar - iat)? Or if I'm completely wrong, what am I supposed to do to calculate <p^2>?

Thanks for your help!

-Pie
 
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Your friend is correct, and you could just grind it out.

Here's a trick that might help you. The time-independent Schrödinger equation is

\frac{p^2}{2m}\psi(x)+V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)

Since you already found V(x) earlier, you can solve for p^2\psi(x) without having to differentiate twice, and use the result when evaluating the integral.
 
vela said:
Your friend is correct, and you could just grind it out.

Here's a trick that might help you. The time-independent Schrödinger equation is

\frac{p^2}{2m}\psi(x)+V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)

Since you already found V(x) earlier, you can solve for p^2\psi(x) without having to differentiate twice, and use the result when evaluating the integral.

Hi

Could you please show me how did the OP get &lt;p&gt;= 1/4 \hbar/(am)? I'm a little bit new to this stuff.

AB
 
Altabeh said:
Could you please show me how did the OP get &lt;p&gt;= 1/4 \hbar/(am)? I'm a little bit new to this stuff.
I think the OP made a typo and meant that result was \langle x^2\rangle and that both \langle x\rangle and \langle p\rangle were 0.
 
Hello,

I'm really new to this whole thing, would you be able to explain how you got those answers, I'm getting confussed when i try it myself
 

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